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From "Faine, Mark" <>
Subject RE: MOD_JK Problem ?
Date Mon, 24 Jun 2002 14:23:17 GMT
Yeah, you are right.  I was a bit too harsh.  Just frustrated, but I still
shouldn't take it out on the developers.  I admit I usually have very little
problems with Apache Foundation Software.  This time has been rough though.
I'm actually trying to promote the use of Apache/Tomcat over a commercial
alternative but it doesn't look very well when I can't get it to work and
the commercial test case works flawlessly the first time out.  Still I am
sorry for getting carried away.


-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Eastham [] 
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 9:04 AM
To: Tomcat Users List
Subject: RE: MOD_JK Problem ?


The "Free for a reason" comment is a too harsh.  Most Apache Foundation
Software is of a higher quality than most commercial software in my opinion.
I didn't want to start a flame war when I sent my original post.  My point
was that the Apache2 connectors area is significantly below the high quality
I've grown to expect from Apache Software.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Faine, Mark []
> Sent: 24 June 2002 13:10
> To: 'Tomcat Users List'
> Subject: RE: MOD_JK Problem ?
> Nothing but agreement here, today will be the 5th business day that I 
> will spend trying to figure out why Apache 2 and Tomcat 4 will not 
> work together. I should be able to download them configure them and 
> just go. Everyone says
> use Apache/Tomcat it's free, what they don't say is it's free for
> a reason.
> -Thanks,
> Mark
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Turner, John []
> Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 6:47 AM
> To: 'Tomcat Users List'
> Subject: RE: MOD_JK Problem ?
> Well said, and I agree 100%.  I spent 8 business days trying to get 
> Apache 2 with Tomcat 4 working, both with mod_webapp and mod_jk, 
> before giving up and
> going back to Apache 1.3.  Granted, I am not experienced with
> tomcat, which
> may account for some of the delay, but your comments are right on
> the money.
> All due respect to the developers, but the idea that Apache 2, Tomcat 
> 4, and the connectors are all separate projects, with little or no
> coordination (as
> far as I can tell) is really disappointing.  To me, that seems like a big
> mistake.
> John Turner
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy Eastham []
> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 6:26 PM
> To: Tomcat Users List
> Subject: RE: MOD_JK Problem ?
> I think everyone who uses Tomcat should back off using Apache2 until 
> all the connectors and more so the documentation get beyond pre-alpha 
> state.
> I'm a big fan of Apache and Tomcat, but I'm afraid the current state 
> of the connectors SUCKS.
> I've held my tongue from writing this email for over a month, but now 
> I can't help it. I've wasted days trying to get this working myself, 
> and I've downgraded back to apache 1 again...
> Given that Apache Tomcat is the reference Servlet Implementation, I 
> think that something needs to be done soon.  You basically can't use 
> it with the world's most popular web server.  It seems to me that 
> there is very little co-ordination between the separate Apache, Tomcat 
> and Apache-Tomcat connectors projects. Just take a look under 
> - apart 
> from coyote, there is rather a sad dearth of content.
> I'm very sorry to have written this message which I'm sure will offend 
> some very hard working people.  I don't want to offend anyone, but I 
> think someone needs to say this.  The Apache organisation has set and 
> achieved some very high standards, and this area is significantly 
> below par.
> Sorry.
> Andy

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