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From "Ralph Einfeldt" <ralph.einfe...@uptime-isc.de>
Subject AW: NIGHTMARE
Date Mon, 08 Apr 2002 17:44:39 GMT
That's a bit unfair.

What you say is just the easy part:
Running tomcat stand alone and just using the examples and the manager.

There are several problems that can make the installation of tomcat
quite difficult.

- The documentation is quite confusing.
  You have to read many documents to get startet and find out how to 
  achieve certain goals. (All this howto's are nice, but you already 
  have to know something to find out, which howto will help you to solve

  a given problem.) For some documents you need more knowledge than
  you need write and run simple php skripts. (e.g. Classloader-How-To)

Just some little examples (There are more):

Connectors:
  There are two connectors: mod_webapp and mod_jk
  For a beginner it is very difficult to find out which one to use
  and what's the difference between them.
  Both connectors have their pitfalls where you can easily get stuck.
  It can be hard to find out which one is suitable for the IIS 
  integration if you don't have enough patience. (The introduction just 
  talkes about apache, not iis, not netscape)
 
  It would be better to extend the introduction in 
  http://jakarta.apache.org/tomcat/tomcat-4.0-doc/config/ajp.htmlwith 
  with an enumeration which servers are supported and add some links 
  to the part where the integration to each server is described.

  The Howto is not well organized, the terminology is explained in the 
  apache howto. That's not where I would look if I would want to
integrate 
  with IIS (which I won't).

Download Page:
  If you go to the download page 
 
http://jakarta.apache.org/builds/jakarta-tomcat-4.0/release/v4.0.3/bin/
  there are many file listed.

  There is no hint what to to with this files, what's the difference
between
  *.exe, *.exe.asc, *.zip, *.tar.gz, *.tar.gz.asc.
  (The document RUNNING.TXT that is referenced elsewhere on the site
just 
   talks about how to install a nighly binary from a zip that has a
different 
   name than the existing files) that not a problem for someone who is
not 
   doing things like this for the first time, but for a beginner it's at
least 
   confusing.)

Some subtle problems in the servlet spec:
  Tell me what's wrong about this (and where can I find a document that 
  explains that):

  <welcome-file-list>
    <welcome-file>/jsp/index.jsp</welcome-file>
  </welcome-file-list>

  (Tell me what happens. Read as much documentation or specification as 
  you like, but don't look at the tomcat source or try it)

  or
  <welcome-file-list>
    <welcome-file>jsp/index.jsp?Action=Start</welcome-file>
  </welcome-file-list> 

  (Again)

One thing at last:
  As a servlet engine and jsp container tomcat offers much more than
  PHP can offer. But at the price that simple things can be more 
  complicated than in other script languages. Currently I have the
feeling 
  that some simple things are more complicated than neccesary. (Some of 
  them are more a result of the spec than just a tomcat problem.)

> -----Urspr√ľngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Timlin, Bob [mailto:TimlinB@sutterhealth.org]
> Gesendet: Montag, 8. April 2002 18:31
> An: Tomcat Users List
> Betreff: RE: NIGHTMARE
<snip/>
> Well in a Unix or Linux environment that is all you have to do.  In a
> Windows environment that will get Tomcat running in a DOS 
> window.  To run as an NT Service there are more steps involved.

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