Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-jakarta-tomcat-user-archive@apache.org Received: (qmail 34295 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2001 09:20:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nagoya.betaversion.org) (192.18.49.131) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 12 Nov 2001 09:20:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 23611 invoked by uid 97); 12 Nov 2001 09:19:40 -0000 Delivered-To: qmlist-jakarta-archive-tomcat-user@jakarta.apache.org Received: (qmail 23595 invoked by uid 97); 12 Nov 2001 09:19:40 -0000 Mailing-List: contact tomcat-user-help@jakarta.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Help: List-Post: List-Id: "Tomcat Users List" Reply-To: "Tomcat Users List" Delivered-To: mailing list tomcat-user@jakarta.apache.org Received: (qmail 23584 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2001 09:19:39 -0000 X-Authentication-Warning: jeeves.stud.ntnu.no: endrs owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 10:19:38 +0100 (MET) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Endre_St=F8lsvik?= X-X-Sender: To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: Apache people, For god's sake Do something! In-Reply-To: <3BED4946.93B43E7B@sharp.fm> Message-ID: X-My-Opinion: War and bombs are bad. Peace and flowers are good. ;-D MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N On Sat, 10 Nov 2001, Graham Leggett wrote: | (And please don't fill the thing with wizards, rather have a default | config that works out the box in a basic config - wizards are great for | beginners, but the minute you stop being a beginner the wizards just get | in your way). A graphical user interface that can do most stuff, with wizards to optionally use for setting up "a new webapp" or "new virtual host" or new whatever is a neat thing. I am a pretty long time unix user, and I love text configuration files. But I hate roaming around in those files, not knowing where to begin or end. There's just so many of them! I forget which stupid files I used "last time", because it is such a pretty long time inbetween each time I have to do that digging (and I loath doing it, so I put it off as long as possible!). That I like from the Windows world. Just click on that computer icon, or that whatever-icon, and you're rockin'. But of course; windows suck if you actually want to do some "real stuff". Mostly because of their annoying binary configuration files, and of course because of their plainly idiotic ways of letting the webserver be a part of the kernel!! Anyway; both Apache Httpd and Tomcat could do with some serious GUI snacks, made by the core apache people, and not as an thrid-party addon. Apache _is_ losing out to IIS (at least that's what I've understood lately), and it's _just_ because of the non-GUI stuff. Apache is approx. 1000000 times better than IIS, but you need a Ph.D to set the shit up... No wonder people use the dangerous "Bugger Overflow" IIS instead, just to not start up _Notepad_ to configure the webserver or to change that little setting right there.. -- Mvh, Endre -- To unsubscribe: For additional commands: Troubles with the list: