Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-jakarta-tomcat-user-archive@apache.org Received: (qmail 23706 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2001 15:38:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nagoya.betaversion.org) (192.18.49.131) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 11 Nov 2001 15:38:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 8525 invoked by uid 97); 11 Nov 2001 15:38:04 -0000 Delivered-To: qmlist-jakarta-archive-tomcat-user@jakarta.apache.org Received: (qmail 8509 invoked by uid 97); 11 Nov 2001 15:38:04 -0000 Mailing-List: contact tomcat-user-help@jakarta.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Help: List-Post: List-Id: "Tomcat Users List" Reply-To: "Tomcat Users List" Delivered-To: mailing list tomcat-user@jakarta.apache.org Received: (qmail 8498 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2001 15:38:03 -0000 Message-ID: <006a01c16ac7$5479f740$eff942cf@ridgeview> From: "Micael Padraig Og mac Grene" To: "Tomcat Users List" Subject: Re: Apache people, For god's sake Do something! Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 07:41:25 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Yah know, Timothy, yer bedside manner is not one to encourage people to say, "Let me help this fella". No one owes anyone anything here. I sometimes thing Craig is really tweny people. What he does is amazing. But, having been on this list for a long time, I can tell you that if you do your homework, and you approach people in a civil way, you will get the answer to any question. I am sure you cannot say who it is that "owes you something" here. Sometimes it is all gravy. That is here, and that is now. -----Original Message----- From: Timothy Reaves To: Tomcat Users List Date: Sunday, November 11, 2001 7:23 AM Subject: Re: Apache people, For god's sake Do something! >On Sun, 11 Nov 2001 00:31:36 +0100 >"Peter Romianowski" wrote: > >> I kept on asking myself, if I should comment on this. >> >> I think Craig made the basic thing clear: It's volunteers work! > > People seem to hold this fact up to excuse shody workmanship; it's no >excuse! By shody, I mean lacking authorative, clear, and concise >documentation included. For beta's this lack of many things is to be >expected, but when something is 'Production' quality, it is unacceptable >under any circumstance, regardless of cost! > >> >> Another point is that after reading the list for some month, I must say >the >> the "quality of questions" really decreased (the list was "better" >during >> the betas). I'm totally tired of reading "how do I change to port 80" at >> least 3 times a week. And I admire the people like Craig answering it >over >> and over again. Yes, you could say the docs are not that good - but >> nevertheless RTFM and huge Mailinglist-archive first. > > It is unfortunate that ignorant people refuse to search archives, and it >is admarable that people still answer those questions. What is most >unfortunate is when genuine questions are asked, after careful search of >the archive, and those questions don't get a single response. The >situation I am in is that way. I searched the archives, found the issue I >was having was not isolated to me, and found only one response that >offered an answer (which wasn't), although I saw many responses along the >lines of 'I'm having the same problem.' > > >--snip-- > >-- >To unsubscribe: >For additional commands: >Troubles with the list: > > -- To unsubscribe: For additional commands: Troubles with the list: