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From Mike Kelley <Mi...@M-V-T.COM>
Subject RE: Apache people, For god's sake Do something!
Date Mon, 12 Nov 2001 21:53:53 GMT
So Barry,

In not so many words you're telling me to abandon the apache tomcat link and
just run tomcat if my purpose is to just serve *simple* jsp & html pages 

Sounds like a band aide (that works for me currently) but I would still like
to be able link the two together so I can use php and the other nifty things
apache has too.




-----Original Message-----
From: Barry White [mailto:barrywhite@charter.net] 
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 2:54 PM
To: Tomcat Users List
Subject: Re: Apache people, For god's sake Do something!


The installation of Tomcat 4.0 is not hard (on Win2k).  All you need is JDK
on the box, and the installer does the rest! Most of the problems I see in
this list are about getting Tomcat to work with another server or Java
issues.

I think most people (beginners like me) don't realize in the beginning that
Tomcat IS a server.  Once they install Tomcat they think they must get it
working with IIS or Apache right away, which is NOT needed if you are going
to be doing mostly JSP stuff (isn't that why you are using Tomcat?).

Perhaps this is not made as clear as it could be in the documentation.  At
the beginning of the Tomcat site it states that "Tomcat is the servlet
container that is used in the official Reference Implementation for the Java
Servlet and JavaServer Pages technologies" which is true, but it also is
(can be) a stand alone web server which needs no other software to serve JSP
and HTML pages.

Perhaps this could be stated on the "Front Page" for those newbies (like me)
who are just starting to use Tomcat.

As for the configuration, I don't think a wizard would be do-able because of
the extream flexibitity of Tomcat (100 questions? I don't think so.).

One suggestion for Windows installation:

During the installation, ask the user if they will be using Tomcat in
stand-alone mode or with an additional server (IIS or Apache) and configure
those servers to work with Tomcat if possible (or point them in the right
direction by showing a readme file or example).

P.S. I think all of the Tomcat developers are doing a great job!  I am not
complaining at all... just offering some suggestions.

Barry


----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicholas Katzakis" <nkatz@ntlworld.com>
To: "tomcat" <tomcat-user@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 9:35 AM
Subject: Apache people, For god's sake Do something!


> Doesn't it dissapoint the people who develop apache/tomcat that this 
> list gets so much traffic? ALL those people can't be dumb! It must be 
> the software. Since so many people are having trouble configuring and 
> using it why don't they consider simplifying the .docs or better yet: 
> Make a GUI configuration program in java that configures your 
> tomcat/apache with a simple interface or even better a WIZARD! :) If 
> they don't have the people or resources then .. ask people to 
> contribute!
>
> Nicholas
>
>
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