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From "Mangi, Rick" <rick.ma...@zcmgroup.com>
Subject RE: Welcome to the Tomcat 4.0 F.A.Q. on-line forum.
Date Thu, 01 Nov 2001 14:32:27 GMT
let me clarify.

I support the idea of a forum whole hartedly. I think it will cut down on
repeat questions and answers. It will allow people to post much more
detailed suggestions and solutions since you know that your posting will
survive past 24 hours. 

However....

If I'm reading Pier's instructions correctly, then having to check at the
bottom of a message for a link to tell you that this is a posting from the
forum and directing you to click on the link and reply at the forum... that
won't work. 

I suggest rethinking that strategy and either separate the two (email
list/forum) completely, or come up with a system whereby people can post to
the form via email reply to the message.

Rick



-----Original Message-----
From: Timothy Fisher [mailto:trfishermi@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 9:28 AM
To: Tomcat Users List
Subject: RE: Welcome to the Tomcat 4.0 F.A.Q. on-line forum.


I think the forums are a GREAT addition!

--- "Mangi, Rick" <rick.mangi@zcmgroup.com> wrote:
> Pier,
> 
> I don't think this makes a whole lot of sense. I
> understand the advantages
> of a forum vs. a mailing list, but requiring people
> to look for a link at
> the bottom and then register to reply... it just
> ain't gonna happen, and
> you're going to spend a lot of time reminding people
> to check if it's a
> message from the forum. I'd suggest you filter on
> the subject fields and
> have an agent subscribed to the mailing list
> automatically posting the
> messages up there.
> 
> Being a realist... I don't see this working.
> 
> Rick
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pier Fumagalli [mailto:pier@betaversion.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 10:41 PM
> To: tomcat-user@jakarta.apache.org
> Subject: Welcome to the Tomcat 4.0 F.A.Q. on-line
> forum.
> 
> 
> In the effort of better managing our resources
> Apache wide, and specifically
> in our case in the scope of the Jakarta project,
> here is a little new
> addition to our set of "tools". A web-based forum
> system.
> 
> Some of you have asked "why" do we need a forum,
> aren't our mailing lists
> enough to support our needs? My reply is simple, we
> need both.
> 
> The on-line forum, first of all, allows you do a
> couple of nifty things that
> people asked: search messages in an intelligent way
> (our mail archives
> already do so, but most of the time, the precision
> of their search engine is
> not, well, the best you can get).
> 
> Plus, each question there is organized and threaded
> better than any Email
> client can do (there is a big discussion about how
> to interpret the
> In-Reply-To header, and some popular email clients
> "forget" to include it in
> messages), and the topics are way more visible than
> on a mailing list with
> an average of more than 200 messages a day.
> 
> There are some more features, like: wouldn't it be
> nice to be able to be
> notified and receive replies only to MY particular
> question, avoiding all
> the other hundreds of emails that flow daily to your
> mail client? Well, a
> web forum allows you to do that, you can create a
> thread, the one with your
> little particular problem, and "watch it", being
> notified via email about
> what replies I got only to my problem. Or looking
> and being notified about
> that little problem I had and was reported by
> another guy... All that can be
> done only thru a well-managed forum, and the current
> internet-mail system is
> not sufficient to achieve that.
> 
> And PLUS, every message you send thru the web-forum
> is actually "mirrored"
> on our mailing list (I'm still figuring out how to
> do the opposite, but
> given enough brainpower -which I don't have at the
> moment - I'm sure I can
> do that!), so everyone will see it (nope, you won't
> loose visibility, and
> you don't have to post your messages twice).
> 
> I just a couple of little favors to ask you all. If
> you see a message coming
> from the web-forum (and you will recognize it by the
> lines at the bottom of
> the message, take this one for example), and you
> want to reply, don't simply
> hit "reply" on your client, but instead click on the
> link at the bottom, and
> respond on-line. Your message will be archieved,
> stored, and you won't have
> to reply to the same question anymore. And if you
> want to reply to someone
> on the list, before doing so, check whether the same
> question has already
> been answered on the forum. The more we use it now,
> the less we'll have to
> use it in the future.
> 
> Last little question, please, if you see something
> wrong or offensive on the
> forum, please notify
> <mailto:webmaster@jakarta.apache.org>, and we'll be
> able to remove it...
> 
> Thanks for listening...
> 
>     Pier
> 
>
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