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From "Micael Padraig Og mac Grene" <>
Subject Re: Apache people, For god's sake Do something!
Date Sun, 11 Nov 2001 15:41:25 GMT
Yah know, Timothy, yer bedside manner is not one to encourage people to say,
"Let me help this fella".  No one owes anyone anything here.  I sometimes
thing Craig is really tweny people.  What he does is amazing.  But, having
been on this list for a long time, I can tell you that if you do your
homework, and you approach people in  a civil way, you will get the answer
to any question.  I am sure you cannot say who it is that "owes you
something" here.  Sometimes it is all gravy.  That is here, and that is now.

-----Original Message-----
From: Timothy Reaves <>
To: Tomcat Users List <>
Date: Sunday, November 11, 2001 7:23 AM
Subject: Re: Apache people, For god's sake Do something!

>On Sun, 11 Nov 2001 00:31:36 +0100
>"Peter Romianowski" <> wrote:
>> I kept on asking myself, if I should comment on this.
>> I think Craig made the basic thing clear: It's volunteers work!
> People seem to hold this fact up to excuse shody workmanship; it's no
>excuse!  By shody, I mean lacking authorative, clear, and concise
>documentation included.  For beta's this lack of many things is to be
>expected, but when something is 'Production' quality, it is unacceptable
>under any circumstance, regardless of cost!
>> Another point is that after reading the list for some month, I must say
>> the "quality of questions" really decreased (the list was "better"
>> the betas). I'm totally tired of reading "how do I change to port 80" at
>> least 3 times a week. And I admire the people like Craig answering it
>> and over again. Yes, you could say the docs are not that good - but
>> nevertheless RTFM and huge Mailinglist-archive first.
> It is unfortunate that ignorant people refuse to search archives, and it
>is admarable that people still answer those questions.  What is most
>unfortunate is when genuine questions are asked, after careful search of
>the archive, and those questions don't get a single response.  The
>situation I am in is that way.  I searched the archives, found the issue I
>was having was not isolated to me, and found only one response that
>offered an answer (which wasn't), although I saw many responses along the
>lines of 'I'm having the same problem.'
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