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From Jeff Kilbride <>
Subject Re: List traffic et al
Date Fri, 06 Jul 2001 06:38:22 GMT
I'm not sure that I agree with the idea that I have to wade through all
these messages "for the good of the list". As I said, I have no experience
with Tomcat on Windows, so I'm not interested in Windows specific issues nor
can I help to solve them. Splitting along platform lines should retain a
relatively good mix of newbies and experienced developers in each list, so I
don't see the problem you are pointing out.

In any event, even if the list is split on basic vs. advanced topics,
advanced users who wanted to help the community could subscribe to all
lists. I don't think it's necessarily "bad" to want to subscribe only to the
lists you feel you can learn from. I've been lurking and posting for about 9
months now and it seems that the same basic group of people answer a
majority of the questions. I used to answer a lot more than I do now, but
I'll admit that I get pretty frustrated answering the same questions over
and over when I know the answers can be easily found in the archive. Is it
selfish or bad of me to skip over questions I used to answer, or should more
responsibility be placed on the person asking the question? (rhetorical,
because there's no way to control whether or not people actually search the
archives before posting...)

A digest version is already available for this list.


> From: Dmitri Colebatch <>
> Reply-To:
> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 16:03:14 +1000
> To:, Jeff Kilbride <>
> Subject: Re: List traffic et al
> I think the big problem with splitting the list is that everyone is going to
> be interested in their own little niche.  I for instance learn nothing by
> answering many questions that I answer, but I do learn things from reading
> other answers.  If the list was split, I would (potentially) have the option
> to only see the messages that I would learn from.  This disadvantages other
> people on the list.  And this is going to occur at all levels.  Even relative
> newbies should be capable of answering some questions that they have just
> dealt with the day before.
> If we want to reduce traffic surely a digest is the option.  The JBoss list
> has a _lot_ more traffic than this one, and I am able to receive that in
> digest mode quite happily.
> anyway, my 2c
> cheesr
> dim
> On Fri,  6 Jul 2001 15:45, Jeff Kilbride wrote:
>> Even if the list is not split into these specific sub-topics, I would
>> certainly like to see it split along Windows/Unix lines. I use Unix
>> exclusively and I skip over 99% of the Windows questions, because I don't
>> have any experience with Tomcat on that platform. I'm sure Windows users
>> feel the same way about Unix related questions.
>> Thanks,
>> --jeff
>>> From: "Hemant Singh" <>
>>> Organization: Supportscape Inc.
>>> Reply-To:
>>> Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 13:39:13 +0530
>>> To: <>
>>> Subject: Re: List traffic et al
>>> HI:
>>> Heartly agree with yur idea and before this also i keep on getting agree
>>> with same kind of ideas but i just dont know who is the moderator of this
>>> group and how this can be acheived.
>>> Regards
>>> Hemant
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Milt Epstein" <>
>>> To: <>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 10:41 PM
>>> Subject: Re: List traffic et al
>>>> On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, Sam Newman wrote:
>>>>> Given the huge amount of traffic this list generates, I can rarely
>>>>> get involved with the discussions that take place. It occurs to me
>>>>> that there sems to be three major discussion themes on the list as a
>>>>> whole:
>>>>> 1.) General servlet/jsp development issues and how tomcat affects them
>>>>> 2.) General tomcat configuration issues
>>>>> 3.) Webserver integration issues
>>>>> I guess as documentation improves (e.g. tomcat book, work by people
>>>>> like Mike Slinn) points 2&3 will become less of an issue. I'm just
>>>>> wondering if there is any millage in perhaps splitting the list into
>>>>> 2 or 3 lists?  Personally, I've got no issues with getting tomcat up
>>>>> and running and so don't care too much about that end of things,
>>>>> however the servlet/jsp development issues is more interesting to
>>>>> me.
>>>>> I don't have too strong an opinion on it, its just that I worry I'm
>>>>> missing some interesting topics because I don't have the time to
>>>>> work though all the posts....
>>>> This idea has come up before, and I think it's one of the best for
>>>> dealing with the high volume on this list (I guess it's one of the two
>>>> or three highest volume apache lists).  I even volunteered to take the
>>>> lead in doing this.  So I sent a note to the list owner explaining the
>>>> idea.  Unfortunately, I never heard anything back.  Without the list
>>>> owner's cooperation/participation (or someone who can modify the
>>>> apache/jakarta mailing lists), it won't be possible to do this.  So,
>>>> we could do some work on this (i.e. figuring out what separate lists
>>>> to have), but unless we know that it's going to come to something, it
>>>> doesn't make sense to do too much work on it.
>>>> Milt Epstein
>>>> Research Programmer
>>>> Software/Systems Development Group
>>>> Computing and Communications Services Office (CCSO)
>>>> University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (UIUC)

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