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From Mark Thomas <>
Subject Re: [Proposal] Remove older of the two BIO AJP connectors
Date Thu, 02 Apr 2009 07:55:08 GMT
Henri Gomez wrote:
>>> May be being the Servlet/JSP RI didn't allow too much 'revolution'.
>> Have you read the 3.0 spec draft? There is a fair amount of change.
>> Whether it
>> is good or not is a different question though.
> I read it. It's a new spec. Dot.
> May be being the RI prevents major evolution/révolution ?

Tomcat isn't the RI and hasn't been for some time.

> Tomcat Light is a good idea but only costin works on it.
If you like the idea, help him out.

> Asf has a great server framework, mina, but it's not used by Tc.
I'm not sure building Tomcat on top of another framework is a good idea. If you
have a PoC that shows otherwise that would be very interesting.

> Osgi is getting more and more adoption

> and Eclipse or Felix select Jetty as their http implementation.
Back to size / ease of embedding.

> Maven has never been used as build system and 10 years after Tc is still
> stick with ant.
And what, exactly is wrong with Ant? It does the job we need it to do and it is
far simpler to work with than Maven. This has been discussed before and the
conclusion then was that the pain wasn't worth the gain. I don't see anything
that has changed that.

> No luck, we couldn't use the maven modules approach for tc. Modules
> would have helped the transition to Bundle.
We don't have to use Maven to build a more modular Tomcat.

>>> Probably it didn't help/allow new peoples join the project and add
>>> some fresh air & ideas ?
>> We could probably be more responsive / encouraging. I am trying to get
>> a couple
>> of GSoC projects for Tomcat this year. Hopefully that will generate
>> something.
> Good but may be too late ;-(
Better late than never.

> That's why i wonder if tc 7.0 will just implements what 3.0
> requierements or will be a major evolution ?
> My wishes for tc 7 and later :
> A very small core for faster start and better embedded use.
> Valves/filters/whatever should be just plugable modules. Here also OSGI
> / Felix / ServiceMixKernel have many good ideas to use.
> Maven as a build system should be seriously reconsidered, modularity,
> artifacts depots, osgi support will be easier
> Tomcat project should use and share components from others ASF
> projects,  Mina, Felix, ServiceMix, Commons have great stuff that could
> (should) be used. It will even be attractive for new commiters from
> these ASF project.
> That's my wishes for Tomcat, not just code, bits and specs compliance,
> but recreate a new wider commiters/contributors community.

So start making contributions to take Tomcat in this direction.


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