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Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 23:55:23 +0100
From: Filip Hanik - Dev Lists <devlists@hanik.com>
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Subject: Re: Mavenizing Tomcat : Was: Osgifing Tomcat
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Costin Manolache wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 11:31 AM, Filip Hanik - Dev Lists <
> devlists@hanik.com> wrote:
>
>   
>> Costin Manolache wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> We already have eclipse files checked in AFAIK - that counts as the
>>> second
>>> build system.
>>> We used to have makefiles too, also in parallel with  ant (in 3.0
>>> times).
>>>
>>> The goal IMO is that people who like to type mvn can do it - without any
>>> guarantee that
>>> the result will be identical with the official release or will be
>>> maintained
>>> long term, just like
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>> isn't that the culprit, including a feature under the pretenses that it
>> wont be maintained?
>>     
>
>
> I meant 'maintained' in the apache-sense, of having 3 +1, etc. ( which AFAIK
> is required  for
> something to be 'officially' released ).
>
> I'm sure Henri will maintain it  - and at some point it may even have the 3
> +1s. As long as there is
> no technical reason for a veto ( besides the 'don't break existing build' -
> which I think he addressed ),
> I don't see how to stop him.  I don't like Maven  -  but  I think  as long
> as it  doesn't break anything
> Henri is perfectly entitled to work on this.
>   
absolutely correct, and it should follow the guidelines of voting just 
like everything else
1+ means I support and intend to help
if you just support it, but are not planning on doing the work, then the 
vote is +0 :)

Henri is more than welcome to make the proposal, no one is stopping him 
from doing so.

Filip

>
> Costin
>
>
>   
>> Filip
>>
>>  the eclipse project can run but it's quite different from the official
>>     
>>> build.
>>>
>>> If it's making easier for some people to build tomcat - and it doesn't
>>> affect people who use
>>> ant in any way - what's the harm ?
>>>
>>> Costin
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 2:23 AM, Remy Maucherat <remm@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>>> On Tue, 2008-04-29 at 22:28 -0400, Yoav Shapira wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 10:09 PM, Remy Maucherat <remm@apache.org>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>>  The current build scripts are fully tested and work well. Adding
>>>>>           
>>>>>>  additional methods of building or replacing these scripts
>>>>>> altogether
>>>>>>  would only provide ways to create and/or release broken binaries.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             
>>>>> Again, no one is saying anything about touching the current build
>>>>> scripts, build process, release process, or source structure.  All
>>>>> those remain the same.  The job of the release manager remains the
>>>>> same.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is just an alternative for those people who want to use a
>>>>> slightly easier / user-friendlier build system.  We could do worse
>>>>> than lowering the barrier to entry for new contributors.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>> You mean you type "mvn" instead of "ant" ? I agree te keys are closer
>>>> together on my keyboard, so it could indeed be easier. Personally, I
>>>> did
>>>> have a first hand experience with Maven, and I think it's horrible
>>>> (you
>>>> have no clue what it is doing, error reporting is bad, and basically,
>>>> you have to think and act the tool's way).
>>>>
>>>> I disagree with having two separate build systems, there's no
>>>> guarantee
>>>> of equivalence.
>>>>
>>>> Rémy
>>>>
>>>>
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