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From Jay Burgess <>
Subject RE: never say never...
Date Tue, 21 Feb 2006 20:54:17 GMT
The following comments are not intended to be a personal attack on anyone.
However, I can't stand by and watch George speak my mind for me, word for word,
and not chime in and say "I agree!".  Plus, I think if you took a poll, you'd
find he speaks for a large number of list subcribers.

Whether you want to admit it or not, there has been a history of downright
rudeness by certain people on this list when it comes to certain issues.  The
constant "RESOLVED/INVALID" and "If you open it again, I will close it."
comments need to stop.  Besides the fact that they alienate potential useful
members of the community, I think less time would probably be spent by all
parties involved if the first answer to one of these issues was educational,
instead of being rude and lacking useful feedback. 

Maybe George's raising this issue will make everyone think twice the next time
they're about to dismiss one of these issues so quickly. 
Fortunately/unfortunately, there are are always going to be newbies and people
that don't know enough about list protocol, etc.  The "professional" response,
though, is to treat every one of them with respect.


| Jay Burgess [Vertical Technology Group]

-----Original Message-----
From: George Sexton [] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 1:12 PM
To: 'Tomcat Developers List'
Subject: RE: never say never...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin van den Bemt [] 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 11:24 AM
> To: Tomcat Developers List
> Subject: Re: never say never...

> You are pretty bad in taking examples. 

The example I took was specifically chosen because his comments are
incorrect. I suppose I could have put his opening comments where he was
baiting me but I chose to ignore those.

> Bill nicely described 
> the why nicely in nice words 

Bill started out his comments by baiting me. Whether it was done nicely or
not depends upon which side of the stick you're on. 

> (don't 
> know who is right or wrong, I don't care about that)

If you don't know what is wrong or right how do you know Bill gave a great
answer? It may have been a pleasant answer, but how can an answer be great
if its not right?

>> ) and your answer to that is quite unapropiate.
>> Especially the shouting. Just say you think he is 
>> wrong, because of xxx and everyone is happy..

Mladen's comments were pretty intemperate as well. They were accusatory and
belittling (joining the "Elite" trash). I think most people would be moved
to shout at this point.

> In short : I think Bill gave a great answer and you didn't 
> return that favour.

No. Bill gave a wrong answer. He ignored in the fact that and
javax.servlet.context.tempdir are equivalent in implementation in Tomcat,
and that to be compliant, Tomcat has to make writable.

> And another thing : I (and others do to I guess) read 
> bugzilla mails, so no need to copy & paste 
> that thing to a thread that has nothing to do with the thread 
> (despite to what you seem to think).

Mladen specifically referenced the issue. I felt it appropriate in my reply
to reference the whole context. I re-posted the relevant portions to
bugzilla after drafting the message.

George Sexton
MH Software, Inc.
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