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Subject svn commit: r357212 - in /tomcat/site/trunk: docs/faq/printer/tomcatuser.html docs/faq/tomcatuser.html docs/lists.html xdocs-faq/tomcatuser.xml xdocs/lists.xml
Date Fri, 16 Dec 2005 19:35:37 GMT
Author: markt
Date: Fri Dec 16 11:35:31 2005
New Revision: 357212

URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs?rev=357212&view=rev
Log:
Tidy up the mailing list documentation.

Modified:
    tomcat/site/trunk/docs/faq/printer/tomcatuser.html
    tomcat/site/trunk/docs/faq/tomcatuser.html
    tomcat/site/trunk/docs/lists.html
    tomcat/site/trunk/xdocs-faq/tomcatuser.xml
    tomcat/site/trunk/xdocs/lists.xml

Modified: tomcat/site/trunk/docs/faq/printer/tomcatuser.html
URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs/tomcat/site/trunk/docs/faq/printer/tomcatuser.html?rev=357212&r1=357211&r2=357212&view=diff
==============================================================================
--- tomcat/site/trunk/docs/faq/printer/tomcatuser.html (original)
+++ tomcat/site/trunk/docs/faq/printer/tomcatuser.html Fri Dec 16 11:35:31 2005
@@ -5,24 +5,17 @@
       Tomcat FAQ
     " align="right" src="../../images/tomcat.gif"></a></td></tr><!--HEADER
SEPARATOR--><tr><td colspan="2"><hr size="1" noshade=""></td></tr><tr><!--RIGHT
SIDE MAIN BODY--><td align="left" valign="top" width="80%"><table cellspacing="4"
width="100%" border="0"><tr><td nowrap="true" valign="top" align="left"><h1>Tomcat
FAQ</h1><h2>About Tomcat User</h2></td><td nowrap="true" valign="top"
align="right"><img border="0" hspace="0" vspace="0" height="1" width="1" src="../../images/void.gif"></td></tr></table><table
cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td bgcolor="#525D76"><font
face="arial,helvetica.sanserif" color="#ffffff"><a name="Preface"><strong>Preface</strong></a></font></td></tr><tr><td><blockquote>
 <p>
-    This is about the Tomcat user list.
-    <a href="mailto:tomcat-user-subscribe@jakarta.apache.org">Subscribe</a>
-    and
-    <a href="http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail.html">general information</a>
-    can be found
-    <a href="http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail2.html">here</a>.
-    It is a high volume list! For those who can't handle that kind of traffic,
-    you can also get it in
-    <a href="tomcat-user-digest-subscribe@jakarta.apache.org">
-        digest form.
-    </a>
-
-
+    The Tomcat user mailing list is for all your questions about how to use
+    Tomcat. It is a high volume list! For those who can't handle that kind
+    of traffic,
+ you can also get it in digest form.
+</p>
+<p>
     If you post to tomcat-user, use good etiquette, ask good questions,
     and use Best Practices, and also please read the docs, faqs, readme,
     and search the archives before asking a question.
-
-    <br><br>
+</p>
+<p>
     Here are some links about how to use mailing lists and standard etiquette
     in using mailing lists. These links are not Tomcat specific! Please do
     not contact the author of these documents with questions.
@@ -43,30 +36,47 @@
   <ul>
 
      <li>
-       <a href="#why">
-         Why won't people answer my question?
-       </a>
+       <a href="#subscribe">
+         How do I subscribe?
+        </a>
      </li>
 
      <li>
        <a href="#unsubscribe">
          How do I unsubscribe?
         </a>
-      </li>
-
+     </li>
 
+     <li>
+       <a href="#why">
+         Why won't people answer my question?
+       </a>
+     </li>
 
-      <li>
+     <li>
        <a href="#wheretopost">
          Should I post to tomcat-user or tomcat-dev?
-        </a>
-      </li>
-
-
+       </a>
+     </li>
 
   </ul>
 </blockquote></td></tr></table><table cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0"
border="0"><tr><td bgcolor="#525D76"><font face="arial,helvetica.sanserif"
color="#ffffff"><a name="Answers"><strong>Answers</strong></a></font></td></tr><tr><td><blockquote>
 
+  <b style="font-size: larger">
+      <a name="subscribe">
+         How do I subscribe?
+      </a>
+  </b>
+  <div style="padding-left : 20px;">
+      See <a href="../../lists.html">the mailing list page.</a>
+      If you are unable to subscribe, it could be due to your e-mail system
+      mangling your e-mail addres.
+      <br><br>
+      If you send an e-mail to the list owner to subscribe you to the list,
+      be prepared to wait until the owner has an opportunity to add you
+      to the list.
+  </div><br>
+
     <b style="font-size: larger">
       <a name="why">
                Why won't people answer my question?
@@ -121,12 +131,7 @@
       </a>
   </b>
   <div style="padding-left : 20px;">
-      <ul>
-        <li>To unsubscribe, e-mail:
-            tomcat-user-unsubscribe@jakarta.apache.org</li>
-        <li>For additional commands, e-mail:
-            tomcat-user-help@jakarta.apache.org</li>
-      </ul>
+      See <a href="../../lists.html">the mailing list page.</a>
       If you are unable to unsubscribe, it could be due to your e-mail system
       mangling your e-mail address or you have subscribed under an alias.
       In that case, maybe
@@ -135,32 +140,34 @@
       </a> will help.
 
       <br><br>
-      If you send an e-mail to the moderator to remove you from the list,
+      If you send an e-mail to the list owner to remove you from the list,
       be prepared to continue receiving more e-mails from the lists until
-      the moderator has an opportunity to remove you from the list.
+      the owner has an opportunity to remove you from the list.
   </div><br>
 
 
   <b style="font-size: larger">
       <a name="wheretopost">
-         Should I post to tomcat-user or tomcat-dev?
+         Should I post to users or dev?
       </a>
   </b>
   <div style="padding-left : 20px;">
     tomcat-user is for user based questions for tomcat. That means anyone who is
     developing any type of software to be used with tomcat.
     <br><br>
-
-    tomcat-dev is the forum to discuss changes to the Tomcat's source code. If your question
-    is not related to changing the source code as maintained by the tomcat committers,
-    then it does not belong here, it belongs in tomcat-user.
+    tomcat-dev is the forum to discuss changes to the Tomcat's source code.
+    If your question
+ is not related to changing the source code as maintained
+    by the tomcat committers,
+ then it does not belong here, it belongs on
+    the users list.
 
     <br><br>
 
-    If you wish to extend tomcat using your own Valve, Realm, or anything else ... those
-    discussions belong in tomcat-user. You might be using Tomcat's internal API but unless
-    your changes are going back into the official source tree, the question belongs
-    in tomcat-user.
+    If you wish to extend tomcat using your own Valve, Realm, or anything
+    else ... those discussions belong in tomcat-user. You might be using
+    Tomcat's internal API but unless your changes are going back into the
+    official source tree, the question belongs on the user list.
 
   </div><br>
 

Modified: tomcat/site/trunk/docs/faq/tomcatuser.html
URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs/tomcat/site/trunk/docs/faq/tomcatuser.html?rev=357212&r1=357211&r2=357212&view=diff
==============================================================================
--- tomcat/site/trunk/docs/faq/tomcatuser.html (original)
+++ tomcat/site/trunk/docs/faq/tomcatuser.html Fri Dec 16 11:35:31 2005
@@ -6,24 +6,17 @@
     " align="right" src="../images/tomcat.gif"></a></td></tr><!--HEADER
SEPARATOR--><tr><td colspan="2"><hr size="1" noshade=""></td></tr><tr><!--LEFT
SIDE NAVIGATION--><td nowrap="true" valign="top" width="20%"><p><strong>Links</strong></p><ul><li><a
href="..">Tomcat Home</a></li><li><a href="index.html">FAQ Home</a></li></ul><p><strong>Contents</strong></p><ul><li><a
href="bugs.html">Bugs</a></li><li><a href="classnotfound.html">Class
Not Found</a></li><li><a href="cluster.html">Clustering</a></li><li><a
href="connectors.html">Connectors</a></li><li><a href="database.html">Database</a></li><li><a
href="deployment.html">Deployment</a></li><li><a href="development.html">Development</a></li><li><a
href="fda-validation.html">FDA Validation</a></li><li><a href="http://wiki.apache.org/tomcat/HowTo">How
do I</a></li><li><a href="unix.html">Linux / Unix</a></li><li><a
href="otherOperatingSystems.html">Other Operating Systems</a></li><li><a
href="logging.html">Logging</a></li><li><
 a href="memory.html">Memory</a></li><li><a href="meta.html">Meta</a></li><li><a
href="misc.html">Miscellaneous</a></li><li><a href="performance.html">Monitoring
/ Performance</a></li><li><a href="http://wiki.apache.org/tomcat/UsefulLinks">Other
Resources</a></li><li><a href="security.html">Security</a></li><li><a
href="version.html">Which Version</a></li><li><a href="tomcatuser.html">Tomcat
User List</a></li><li><a href="http://wiki.apache.org/tomcat/">Wiki</a></li><li><a
href="windows.html">Windows</a></li></ul></td><!--RIGHT SIDE
MAIN BODY--><td align="left" valign="top" width="80%"><table cellspacing="4" width="100%"
border="0"><tr><td nowrap="true" valign="top" align="left"><h1>Tomcat
FAQ</h1><h2>About Tomcat User</h2></td><td nowrap="true" valign="top"
align="right"><small><a href="printer/tomcatuser.html"><img alt="Printer
Friendly Version" border="0" src="../images/printer.gif"><br>print-friendly<br>version
                     </a></small></td></tr></table><table
cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td bgcolor="#525D76"><font
face="arial,helvetica.sanserif" color="#ffffff"><a name="Preface"><strong>Preface</strong></a></font></td></tr><tr><td><blockquote>
 <p>
-    This is about the Tomcat user list.
-    <a href="mailto:tomcat-user-subscribe@jakarta.apache.org">Subscribe</a>
-    and
-    <a href="http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail.html">general information</a>
-    can be found
-    <a href="http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail2.html">here</a>.
-    It is a high volume list! For those who can't handle that kind of traffic,
-    you can also get it in
-    <a href="tomcat-user-digest-subscribe@jakarta.apache.org">
-        digest form.
-    </a>
-
-
+    The Tomcat user mailing list is for all your questions about how to use
+    Tomcat. It is a high volume list! For those who can't handle that kind
+    of traffic,
+ you can also get it in digest form.
+</p>
+<p>
     If you post to tomcat-user, use good etiquette, ask good questions,
     and use Best Practices, and also please read the docs, faqs, readme,
     and search the archives before asking a question.
-
-    <br><br>
+</p>
+<p>
     Here are some links about how to use mailing lists and standard etiquette
     in using mailing lists. These links are not Tomcat specific! Please do
     not contact the author of these documents with questions.
@@ -44,30 +37,47 @@
   <ul>
 
      <li>
-       <a href="#why">
-         Why won't people answer my question?
-       </a>
+       <a href="#subscribe">
+         How do I subscribe?
+        </a>
      </li>
 
      <li>
        <a href="#unsubscribe">
          How do I unsubscribe?
         </a>
-      </li>
-
+     </li>
 
+     <li>
+       <a href="#why">
+         Why won't people answer my question?
+       </a>
+     </li>
 
-      <li>
+     <li>
        <a href="#wheretopost">
          Should I post to tomcat-user or tomcat-dev?
-        </a>
-      </li>
-
-
+       </a>
+     </li>
 
   </ul>
 </blockquote></td></tr></table><table cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0"
border="0"><tr><td bgcolor="#525D76"><font face="arial,helvetica.sanserif"
color="#ffffff"><a name="Answers"><strong>Answers</strong></a></font></td></tr><tr><td><blockquote>
 
+  <b style="font-size: larger">
+      <a name="subscribe">
+         How do I subscribe?
+      </a>
+  </b>
+  <div style="padding-left : 20px;">
+      See <a href="../lists.html">the mailing list page.</a>
+      If you are unable to subscribe, it could be due to your e-mail system
+      mangling your e-mail addres.
+      <br><br>
+      If you send an e-mail to the list owner to subscribe you to the list,
+      be prepared to wait until the owner has an opportunity to add you
+      to the list.
+  </div><br>
+
     <b style="font-size: larger">
       <a name="why">
                Why won't people answer my question?
@@ -122,12 +132,7 @@
       </a>
   </b>
   <div style="padding-left : 20px;">
-      <ul>
-        <li>To unsubscribe, e-mail:
-            tomcat-user-unsubscribe@jakarta.apache.org</li>
-        <li>For additional commands, e-mail:
-            tomcat-user-help@jakarta.apache.org</li>
-      </ul>
+      See <a href="../lists.html">the mailing list page.</a>
       If you are unable to unsubscribe, it could be due to your e-mail system
       mangling your e-mail address or you have subscribed under an alias.
       In that case, maybe
@@ -136,32 +141,34 @@
       </a> will help.
 
       <br><br>
-      If you send an e-mail to the moderator to remove you from the list,
+      If you send an e-mail to the list owner to remove you from the list,
       be prepared to continue receiving more e-mails from the lists until
-      the moderator has an opportunity to remove you from the list.
+      the owner has an opportunity to remove you from the list.
   </div><br>
 
 
   <b style="font-size: larger">
       <a name="wheretopost">
-         Should I post to tomcat-user or tomcat-dev?
+         Should I post to users or dev?
       </a>
   </b>
   <div style="padding-left : 20px;">
     tomcat-user is for user based questions for tomcat. That means anyone who is
     developing any type of software to be used with tomcat.
     <br><br>
-
-    tomcat-dev is the forum to discuss changes to the Tomcat's source code. If your question
-    is not related to changing the source code as maintained by the tomcat committers,
-    then it does not belong here, it belongs in tomcat-user.
+    tomcat-dev is the forum to discuss changes to the Tomcat's source code.
+    If your question
+ is not related to changing the source code as maintained
+    by the tomcat committers,
+ then it does not belong here, it belongs on
+    the users list.
 
     <br><br>
 
-    If you wish to extend tomcat using your own Valve, Realm, or anything else ... those
-    discussions belong in tomcat-user. You might be using Tomcat's internal API but unless
-    your changes are going back into the official source tree, the question belongs
-    in tomcat-user.
+    If you wish to extend tomcat using your own Valve, Realm, or anything
+    else ... those discussions belong in tomcat-user. You might be using
+    Tomcat's internal API but unless your changes are going back into the
+    official source tree, the question belongs on the user list.
 
   </div><br>
 

Modified: tomcat/site/trunk/docs/lists.html
URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs/tomcat/site/trunk/docs/lists.html?rev=357212&r1=357211&r2=357212&view=diff
==============================================================================
--- tomcat/site/trunk/docs/lists.html (original)
+++ tomcat/site/trunk/docs/lists.html Fri Dec 16 11:35:31 2005
@@ -177,8 +177,8 @@
 project.  Users should consider subscribing to the 
 <a href="#tomcat-users">User Support</a> mailing list.  
 
-The <a href="#tomcat-dev">Developer</a> list is for people interested in helping
with the development and
-debugging of the server.</p>
+The <a href="#tomcat-dev">Developer</a> list is for people interested in
+helping with the development and debugging of the server.</p>
 
 <p>Formatted archives are available in several places including <a href="http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/">the
Apache Mail
 Archives</a> and <a href="http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/">MARC</a>.
@@ -219,18 +219,18 @@
 <p>
 <blockquote>
 
-<p>The list listed here is the <strong>only</strong> 
-place that configuration and how-to questions belong, ever.  Every day, users
-become frustrated, not with Apache Tomcat, but how nobody will help them understand
-how to get started.  95% of the time, it's not for lack of helpers, but for
-lack of effort and well stated questions.</p>
+<p>The list listed here is the <strong>only</strong> place that configuration
+and how-to questions belong, ever.  Every day, users become frustrated, not
+with Apache Tomcat, but how nobody will help them understand how to get
+started. 95% of the time, it's not for lack of helpers, but for lack of
+effort and well stated questions.</p>
 
 <p>Before you go further, please read Eric S. Raymond and Rick Moen's
-explanation of <a href="http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html">"How To
Ask
-Questions The Smart Way"</a>.  If you follow their advice, you will
-discover that these forums have dozens of helpers ready to provide you
-with guidance on using Apache Tomcat !  <strong>Note: Do not
-sent your Apache Tomcat questions to Eric or Rick themselves!</strong>
+explanation of <a href="http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html">
+"How To Ask Questions The Smart Way"</a>.  If you follow their advice, you
+will discover that these forums have dozens of helpers ready to provide you
+with guidance on using Apache Tomcat! <strong>Note: Do not send your Apache
+Tomcat questions to Eric or Rick themselves!</strong>
 </p>
 
 <table>
@@ -239,38 +239,56 @@
   <td>High</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
-  <td>Subscription address:</td>
-  <td>
-<a href="mailto:users-subscribe@tomcat.apache.org">
+  <td>Subscription:</td>
+  <td>Send a blank email to <a href="mailto:users-subscribe@tomcat.apache.org">
       users-subscribe@tomcat.apache.org</a>
 </td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
-  <td>Unsubscription address:</td>
-  <td>
-<a href="mailto:users-unsubscribe@tomcat.apache.org">
-      users-unsubscribe@tomcat.apache.org</a>
+  <td>Digest subscription:</td>
+  <td>Send a blank email to <a href="mailto:users-digest-subscribe@tomcat.apache.org">
+      users-digest-subscribe@tomcat.apache.org</a>
 </td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
   <td>Posting questions to the list:</td>
-  <td>
-<a href="mailto:users@tomcat.apache.org">
+  <td>Send your question to <a href="mailto:users@tomcat.apache.org">
       users@tomcat.apache.org</a>
 </td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
   <td>Getting help with the list:</td>
-  <td>
-<a href="mailto:users-help@tomcat.apache.org">
+  <td>Send a blank email to <a href="mailto:users-help@tomcat.apache.org">
       users-help@tomcat.apache.org</a>
 </td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
+  <td>Unsubscription:</td>
+  <td>Send a blank email to <a href="mailto:users-unsubscribe@tomcat.apache.org">
+      users-unsubscribe@tomcat.apache.org</a>
+</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr>
+  <td>Digest unsubscription:</td>
+  <td>Send a blank email to
+      <a href="mailto:users-digest-unsubscribe@tomcat.apache.org">
+      users-digest-unsubscribe@tomcat.apache.org</a>
+</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr>
+  <td>List owner address:</td>
+  <td>Send your message to
+      <a href="mailto:users-owner@tomcat.apache.org">
+      users-owner@tomcat.apache.org</a>
+</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr>
   <td>Archives:</td>
   <td>
-    <a href="http://mail-archives.apache.org">at Apache</a>,
-    <a href="http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=tomcat-user">at MARC</a>.
+    <a href="http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/tomcat-users/">
+    at Apache</a>,
+    <a href="http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=tomcat-user">at MARC (searchable)
+    </a>.
   </td>
  </tr>
 </table>
@@ -302,9 +320,8 @@
 
 <p>
 <a name="tomcat-dev">The</a> <code>dev@tomcat.apache.org</code> mailing
list
-is used for discussions about the actual development
-of the server. It is not the place to ask about problems writing
-JSPs, servlets or web applications.
+is used for discussions about the actual development of the server. It is not
+the place to ask about problems writing JSPs, servlets or web applications.
 </p>
 
 <note>Configuration and support questions should be addressed to the
@@ -318,47 +335,59 @@
   <td>High</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
-  <td>Subscription address:</td>
-  <td>
-<a href="mailto:dev-subscribe@tomcat.apache.org">
+  <td>Subscription:</td>
+  <td>Send a blank email to <a href="mailto:dev-subscribe@tomcat.apache.org">
       dev-subscribe@tomcat.apache.org</a>
       (<strong>Not a user support list!</strong>)</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
-  <td>Digest subscription address:</td>
-  <td>
-<a href="mailto:dev-digest-subscribe@tomcat.apache.org">
+  <td>Digest subscription:</td>
+  <td>Send a blank email to
+      <a href="mailto:dev-digest-subscribe@tomcat.apache.org">
       dev-digest-subscribe@tomcat.apache.org</a>
 </td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
   <td>Posting questions to the list:</td>
-  <td>
-<a href="mailto:dev@tomcat.apache.org">
+  <td>Send your question to <a href="mailto:dev@tomcat.apache.org">
       dev@tomcat.apache.org</a>
 </td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
-  <td>Unsubscription addresses:</td>
-  <td>
-<a href="mailto:dev-unsubscribe@tomcat.apache.org">
-      dev-unsubscribe@tomcat.apache.org</a>
-</td>
- </tr>
- <tr>
   <td>Getting help with the list:</td>
-  <td>
-<a href="mailto:dev-help@tomcat.apache.org">
+  <td>Send a blank email to <a href="mailto:dev-help@tomcat.apache.org">
       dev-help@tomcat.apache.org</a>,
       <a href="mailto:dev-digest-help@tomcat.apache.org">
       dev-digest-help@tomcat.apache.org</a>
 </td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
-  <td>Searchable Archives:</td>
+  <td>Unsubscription:</td>
+  <td>Send a blank email to <a href="mailto:dev-unsubscribe@tomcat.apache.org">
+      dev-unsubscribe@tomcat.apache.org</a>
+</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr>
+  <td>Digest unsubscription:</td>
+  <td>Send a blank email to
+      <a href="mailto:dev-digest-unsubscribe@tomcat.apache.org">
+      dev-digest-unsubscribe@tomcat.apache.org</a>
+</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr>
+  <td>List owner address:</td>
+  <td>Send your message to
+      <a href="mailto:dev-owner@tomcat.apache.org">
+      dev-owner@tomcat.apache.org</a>
+</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr>
+  <td>Archives:</td>
   <td>
-    <a href="http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/tomcat-dev/">at Apache</a>,
-    <a href="http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=tomcat-dev">at MARC</a>.
+    <a href="http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/tomcat-dev/">
+    at Apache</a>,
+    <a href="http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=tomcat-dev">at MARC (searchable)
+    </a>.
   </td>
  </tr>
 </table>

Modified: tomcat/site/trunk/xdocs-faq/tomcatuser.xml
URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs/tomcat/site/trunk/xdocs-faq/tomcatuser.xml?rev=357212&r1=357211&r2=357212&view=diff
==============================================================================
--- tomcat/site/trunk/xdocs-faq/tomcatuser.xml (original)
+++ tomcat/site/trunk/xdocs-faq/tomcatuser.xml Fri Dec 16 11:35:31 2005
@@ -16,24 +16,17 @@
 
 <section name="Preface">
 <p>
-    This is about the Tomcat user list.
-    <a href="mailto:tomcat-user-subscribe@jakarta.apache.org">Subscribe</a>
-    and
-    <a href="http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail.html">general information</a>
-    can be found
-    <a href="http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail2.html">here</a>.
-    It is a high volume list! For those who can't handle that kind of traffic,
-    you can also get it in
-    <a href="tomcat-user-digest-subscribe@jakarta.apache.org">
-        digest form.
-    </a>
-
-
+    The Tomcat user mailing list is for all your questions about how to use
+    Tomcat. It is a high volume list! For those who can't handle that kind
+    of traffic,
+ you can also get it in digest form.
+</p>
+<p>
     If you post to tomcat-user, use good etiquette, ask good questions,
     and use Best Practices, and also please read the docs, faqs, readme,
     and search the archives before asking a question.
-
-    <br/><br/>
+</p>
+<p>
     Here are some links about how to use mailing lists and standard etiquette
     in using mailing lists. These links are not Tomcat specific! Please do
     not contact the author of these documents with questions.
@@ -57,38 +50,28 @@
   <ul>
 
      <li>
-       <a href="#why">
-         Why won't people answer my question?
-       </a>
+       <a href="#subscribe">
+         How do I subscribe?
+        </a>
      </li>
 
      <li>
        <a href="#unsubscribe">
          How do I unsubscribe?
         </a>
-      </li>
-
-
-
-      <li>
-       <a href="#wheretopost">
-         Should I post to tomcat-user or tomcat-dev?
-        </a>
-      </li>
+     </li>
 
-<!--
      <li>
-       <a href="#connectors">
-         Why isn't there a connector's list?
-        </a>
-      </li>
+       <a href="#why">
+         Why won't people answer my question?
+       </a>
+     </li>
 
      <li>
-       <a href="#newsgroup">
-         Why isn't there a newgroup/bridge?
-        </a>
-      </li>
--->
+       <a href="#wheretopost">
+         Should I post to tomcat-user or tomcat-dev?
+       </a>
+     </li>
 
   </ul>
 </section>
@@ -96,6 +79,21 @@
 
 <section name="Answers">
 
+  <question>
+      <a name="subscribe">
+         How do I subscribe?
+      </a>
+  </question>
+  <answer>
+      See <a href="../lists.html">the mailing list page.</a>
+      If you are unable to subscribe, it could be due to your e-mail system
+      mangling your e-mail addres.
+      <br/><br/>
+      If you send an e-mail to the list owner to subscribe you to the list,
+      be prepared to wait until the owner has an opportunity to add you
+      to the list.
+  </answer>
+
     <question>
       <a name="why">
                Why won't people answer my question?
@@ -150,12 +148,7 @@
       </a>
   </question>
   <answer>
-      <ul>
-        <li>To unsubscribe, e-mail:
-            tomcat-user-unsubscribe@jakarta.apache.org</li>
-        <li>For additional commands, e-mail:
-            tomcat-user-help@jakarta.apache.org</li>
-      </ul>
+      See <a href="../lists.html">the mailing list page.</a>
       If you are unable to unsubscribe, it could be due to your e-mail system
       mangling your e-mail address or you have subscribed under an alias.
       In that case, maybe
@@ -164,32 +157,34 @@
       </a> will help.
 
       <br/><br/>
-      If you send an e-mail to the moderator to remove you from the list,
+      If you send an e-mail to the list owner to remove you from the list,
       be prepared to continue receiving more e-mails from the lists until
-      the moderator has an opportunity to remove you from the list.
+      the owner has an opportunity to remove you from the list.
   </answer>
 
 
   <question>
       <a name="wheretopost">
-         Should I post to tomcat-user or tomcat-dev?
+         Should I post to users or dev?
       </a>
   </question>
   <answer>
     tomcat-user is for user based questions for tomcat. That means anyone who is
     developing any type of software to be used with tomcat.
     <br/><br/>
-
-    tomcat-dev is the forum to discuss changes to the Tomcat's source code. If your question
-    is not related to changing the source code as maintained by the tomcat committers,
-    then it does not belong here, it belongs in tomcat-user.
+    tomcat-dev is the forum to discuss changes to the Tomcat's source code.
+    If your question
+ is not related to changing the source code as maintained
+    by the tomcat committers,
+ then it does not belong here, it belongs on
+    the users list.
 
     <br/><br/>
 
-    If you wish to extend tomcat using your own Valve, Realm, or anything else ... those
-    discussions belong in tomcat-user. You might be using Tomcat's internal API but unless
-    your changes are going back into the official source tree, the question belongs
-    in tomcat-user.
+    If you wish to extend tomcat using your own Valve, Realm, or anything
+    else ... those discussions belong in tomcat-user. You might be using
+    Tomcat's internal API but unless your changes are going back into the
+    official source tree, the question belongs on the user list.
 
   </answer>
 

Modified: tomcat/site/trunk/xdocs/lists.xml
URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs/tomcat/site/trunk/xdocs/lists.xml?rev=357212&r1=357211&r2=357212&view=diff
==============================================================================
--- tomcat/site/trunk/xdocs/lists.xml (original)
+++ tomcat/site/trunk/xdocs/lists.xml Fri Dec 16 11:35:31 2005
@@ -11,8 +11,8 @@
 project.  Users should consider subscribing to the 
 <a href="#tomcat-users">User Support</a> mailing list.  
 
-The <a href="#tomcat-dev">Developer</a> list is for people interested in helping
with the development and
-debugging of the server.</p>
+The <a href="#tomcat-dev">Developer</a> list is for people interested in
+helping with the development and debugging of the server.</p>
 
 <p>Formatted archives are available in several places including <a
 href="http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/">the Apache Mail
@@ -31,19 +31,18 @@
 
 <section name="tomcat-users">
 
-<p>The list listed here is the <strong>only</strong> 
-place that configuration and how-to questions belong, ever.  Every day, users
-become frustrated, not with Apache Tomcat, but how nobody will help them understand
-how to get started.  95% of the time, it's not for lack of helpers, but for
-lack of effort and well stated questions.</p>
+<p>The list listed here is the <strong>only</strong> place that configuration
+and how-to questions belong, ever.  Every day, users become frustrated, not
+with Apache Tomcat, but how nobody will help them understand how to get
+started. 95% of the time, it's not for lack of helpers, but for lack of
+effort and well stated questions.</p>
 
 <p>Before you go further, please read Eric S. Raymond and Rick Moen's
-explanation of <a
-href="http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html" >"How To Ask
-Questions The Smart Way"</a>.  If you follow their advice, you will
-discover that these forums have dozens of helpers ready to provide you
-with guidance on using Apache Tomcat !  <strong>Note: Do not
-sent your Apache Tomcat questions to Eric or Rick themselves!</strong></p>
+explanation of <a href="http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html">
+"How To Ask Questions The Smart Way"</a>.  If you follow their advice, you
+will discover that these forums have dozens of helpers ready to provide you
+with guidance on using Apache Tomcat! <strong>Note: Do not send your Apache
+Tomcat questions to Eric or Rick themselves!</strong></p>
 
 <table>
  <tr>
@@ -51,30 +50,49 @@
   <td>High</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
-  <td>Subscription address:</td>
-  <td><a href="mailto:users-subscribe@tomcat.apache.org">
+  <td>Subscription:</td>
+  <td>Send a blank email to <a href="mailto:users-subscribe@tomcat.apache.org">
       users-subscribe@tomcat.apache.org</a></td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
-  <td>Unsubscription address:</td>
-  <td><a href="mailto:users-unsubscribe@tomcat.apache.org">
-      users-unsubscribe@tomcat.apache.org</a></td>
+  <td>Digest subscription:</td>
+  <td>Send a blank email to <a href="mailto:users-digest-subscribe@tomcat.apache.org">
+      users-digest-subscribe@tomcat.apache.org</a></td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
   <td>Posting questions to the list:</td>
-  <td><a href="mailto:users@tomcat.apache.org">
+  <td>Send your question to <a href="mailto:users@tomcat.apache.org">
       users@tomcat.apache.org</a></td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
   <td>Getting help with the list:</td>
-  <td><a href="mailto:users-help@tomcat.apache.org">
+  <td>Send a blank email to <a href="mailto:users-help@tomcat.apache.org">
       users-help@tomcat.apache.org</a></td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
+  <td>Unsubscription:</td>
+  <td>Send a blank email to <a href="mailto:users-unsubscribe@tomcat.apache.org">
+      users-unsubscribe@tomcat.apache.org</a></td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr>
+  <td>Digest unsubscription:</td>
+  <td>Send a blank email to
+      <a href="mailto:users-digest-unsubscribe@tomcat.apache.org">
+      users-digest-unsubscribe@tomcat.apache.org</a></td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr>
+  <td>List owner address:</td>
+  <td>Send your message to
+      <a href="mailto:users-owner@tomcat.apache.org">
+      users-owner@tomcat.apache.org</a></td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr>
   <td>Archives:</td>
   <td>
-    <a href="http://mail-archives.apache.org">at Apache</a>,
-    <a href="http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=tomcat-user">at MARC</a>.
+    <a href="http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/tomcat-users/">
+    at Apache</a>,
+    <a href="http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=tomcat-user">at MARC (searchable)
+    </a>.
   </td>
  </tr>
 </table>
@@ -85,9 +103,8 @@
 
 <p>
 <a name="tomcat-dev">The</a> <code>dev@tomcat.apache.org</code> mailing
list
-is used for discussions about the actual development
-of the server. It is not the place to ask about problems writing
-JSPs, servlets or web applications.
+is used for discussions about the actual development of the server. It is not
+the place to ask about problems writing JSPs, servlets or web applications.
 </p>
 
 <note>Configuration and support questions should be addressed to the
@@ -101,38 +118,53 @@
   <td>High</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
-  <td>Subscription address:</td>
-  <td><a href="mailto:dev-subscribe@tomcat.apache.org">
+  <td>Subscription:</td>
+  <td>Send a blank email to <a href="mailto:dev-subscribe@tomcat.apache.org">
       dev-subscribe@tomcat.apache.org</a>
       (<strong>Not a user support list!</strong>)</td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
-  <td>Digest subscription address:</td>
-  <td><a href="mailto:dev-digest-subscribe@tomcat.apache.org">
+  <td>Digest subscription:</td>
+  <td>Send a blank email to
+      <a href="mailto:dev-digest-subscribe@tomcat.apache.org">
       dev-digest-subscribe@tomcat.apache.org</a></td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
   <td>Posting questions to the list:</td>
-  <td><a href="mailto:dev@tomcat.apache.org">
+  <td>Send your question to <a href="mailto:dev@tomcat.apache.org">
       dev@tomcat.apache.org</a></td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
-  <td>Unsubscription addresses:</td>
-  <td><a href="mailto:dev-unsubscribe@tomcat.apache.org">
-      dev-unsubscribe@tomcat.apache.org</a></td>
- </tr>
- <tr>
   <td>Getting help with the list:</td>
-  <td><a href="mailto:dev-help@tomcat.apache.org">
+  <td>Send a blank email to <a href="mailto:dev-help@tomcat.apache.org">
       dev-help@tomcat.apache.org</a>,
       <a href="mailto:dev-digest-help@tomcat.apache.org">
       dev-digest-help@tomcat.apache.org</a></td>
  </tr>
  <tr>
-  <td>Searchable Archives:</td>
+  <td>Unsubscription:</td>
+  <td>Send a blank email to <a href="mailto:dev-unsubscribe@tomcat.apache.org">
+      dev-unsubscribe@tomcat.apache.org</a></td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr>
+  <td>Digest unsubscription:</td>
+  <td>Send a blank email to
+      <a href="mailto:dev-digest-unsubscribe@tomcat.apache.org">
+      dev-digest-unsubscribe@tomcat.apache.org</a></td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr>
+  <td>List owner address:</td>
+  <td>Send your message to
+      <a href="mailto:dev-owner@tomcat.apache.org">
+      dev-owner@tomcat.apache.org</a></td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr>
+  <td>Archives:</td>
   <td>
-    <a href="http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/tomcat-dev/">at Apache</a>,
-    <a href="http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=tomcat-dev">at MARC</a>.
+    <a href="http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/tomcat-dev/">
+    at Apache</a>,
+    <a href="http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=tomcat-dev">at MARC (searchable)
+    </a>.
   </td>
  </tr>
 </table>



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