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From Costin Manolache <cos...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Sloppy, Lazy Tomcat Developers (Was: Persistent "xmlValidation" Problem)
Date Fri, 04 Nov 2005 21:22:48 GMT
Well, my point was - do we really need this feature ?

If nobody is really using it - it doesn't work out of box and we
didn't see any major complaint except Bob  - it may be simpler to just
remove the flag from the docs and server.xml - and maybe even remove
the code that does this validation. Or move it to some module that is
not distributed by default, in case we have 2-3 users.

I believe we no longer include the xerces parser in some of the
distros - so even a fix in xerces will be useless, users will need to
upgrade the VM.

It is silly to depend on a very specific parser and version - and keep
options, code, documentation - for a feature that nobody really uses.

Costin

On 11/4/05, Jeanfrancois Arcand <jfarcand@apache.org> wrote:
>
>
> Costin Manolache wrote:
> > I wonder what Bob does when his Windows XP is crashing or catches a virus :-)
> > Well, at least whoever reads the user mail at MSFT is paid for reading
> > his rants, we're not. And they got his money too.
> >
> > As for the 'validate' flag - maybe we should just remove it:
> > - it slows down startup
> > - it is optional in the spec
> > - we know it doesn't work with most parsers, including versions bundled in JDK
> > - the whole schema validation thing is a bad idea anyway.
> >
> > Is anyone really using this flag ?
>
> I think the problem right now is a bug in the web-xml schema:
>
> http://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=31125
>
> I should have added that link to the response :-) Once this is fixed,
> XML validation should works.
>
> -- Jeanfrancois
>
> >
> > Bob, if you're still on the list - why would you want to turn on this
> > flag ? I never found any use for it ( except to slow down startup and
> > get exceptions ).
> >
> > Costin
> >
> >
> > On 11/4/05, Remy Maucherat <remm@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >>Bob Bronson wrote:
> >>
> >>>Another lazy copout!! Even the web.xml that is distributed w/Tomcat does
> >>>not validate! Did you even test this before you replied to my note or
> >>>did you just assume the user was at fault???
> >>>
> >>>When someone criticizes the poor state of an open sores project (as I am
> >>>doing now), the typical response from the open sores programmer is to
> >>>shift responsibility to the user -- the user is often told to dig
> >>>through the change logs or browse the forum archives or even to fix the
> >>>bug/documentation themselves instead of "complaining". What an
> >>>unprofessional, lazy attitude from programmers! The open sores
> >>>programmers try to cast *their* laziness as the user's laziness for "not
> >>>digging deeply enough" to resolve their own problem, or even fixing the
> >>>problem themselves by going into the source code. The fact that the
> >>>Tomcat User mailing list often receives over 150 messages a day is more
> >>>a testament to Tomcat's crappy documentation than to its popularity.
> >>>
> >>>Yes, yes, I know Tomcat is "not for me". You're damned right. I'm happy
> >>>to pay money for quality. I guess Tomcat bares out the old adage, "you
> >>>get what you pay for".
> >>
> >>If you don't feel special enough, I can do it in two seconds and can get
> >>you a cool membership to the "dev-deny" list :)
> >>
> >>Rémy
> >>
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