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From Costin Manolache <>
Subject Re: Sloppy, Lazy Tomcat Developers (Was: Persistent "xmlValidation" Problem)
Date Fri, 04 Nov 2005 19:23:44 GMT
I wonder what Bob does when his Windows XP is crashing or catches a virus :-)
Well, at least whoever reads the user mail at MSFT is paid for reading
his rants, we're not. And they got his money too.

As for the 'validate' flag - maybe we should just remove it:
- it slows down startup
- it is optional in the spec
- we know it doesn't work with most parsers, including versions bundled in JDK
- the whole schema validation thing is a bad idea anyway.

Is anyone really using this flag ?

Bob, if you're still on the list - why would you want to turn on this
flag ? I never found any use for it ( except to slow down startup and
get exceptions ).


On 11/4/05, Remy Maucherat <> wrote:
> Bob Bronson wrote:
> > Another lazy copout!! Even the web.xml that is distributed w/Tomcat does
> > not validate! Did you even test this before you replied to my note or
> > did you just assume the user was at fault???
> >
> > When someone criticizes the poor state of an open sores project (as I am
> > doing now), the typical response from the open sores programmer is to
> > shift responsibility to the user -- the user is often told to dig
> > through the change logs or browse the forum archives or even to fix the
> > bug/documentation themselves instead of "complaining". What an
> > unprofessional, lazy attitude from programmers! The open sores
> > programmers try to cast *their* laziness as the user's laziness for "not
> > digging deeply enough" to resolve their own problem, or even fixing the
> > problem themselves by going into the source code. The fact that the
> > Tomcat User mailing list often receives over 150 messages a day is more
> > a testament to Tomcat's crappy documentation than to its popularity.
> >
> > Yes, yes, I know Tomcat is "not for me". You're damned right. I'm happy
> > to pay money for quality. I guess Tomcat bares out the old adage, "you
> > get what you pay for".
> If you don't feel special enough, I can do it in two seconds and can get
> you a cool membership to the "dev-deny" list :)
> Rémy
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