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From Jeanfrancois Arcand <jfarc...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Sloppy, Lazy Tomcat Developers (Was: Persistent "xmlValidation" Problem)
Date Fri, 04 Nov 2005 19:33:10 GMT


Costin Manolache wrote:
> I wonder what Bob does when his Windows XP is crashing or catches a virus :-)
> Well, at least whoever reads the user mail at MSFT is paid for reading
> his rants, we're not. And they got his money too.
> 
> As for the 'validate' flag - maybe we should just remove it:
> - it slows down startup
> - it is optional in the spec
> - we know it doesn't work with most parsers, including versions bundled in JDK
> - the whole schema validation thing is a bad idea anyway.
> 
> Is anyone really using this flag ?

I think the problem right now is a bug in the web-xml schema:

http://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=31125

I should have added that link to the response :-) Once this is fixed, 
XML validation should works.

-- Jeanfrancois

> 
> Bob, if you're still on the list - why would you want to turn on this
> flag ? I never found any use for it ( except to slow down startup and
> get exceptions ).
> 
> Costin
> 
> 
> On 11/4/05, Remy Maucherat <remm@apache.org> wrote:
> 
>>Bob Bronson wrote:
>>
>>>Another lazy copout!! Even the web.xml that is distributed w/Tomcat does
>>>not validate! Did you even test this before you replied to my note or
>>>did you just assume the user was at fault???
>>>
>>>When someone criticizes the poor state of an open sores project (as I am
>>>doing now), the typical response from the open sores programmer is to
>>>shift responsibility to the user -- the user is often told to dig
>>>through the change logs or browse the forum archives or even to fix the
>>>bug/documentation themselves instead of "complaining". What an
>>>unprofessional, lazy attitude from programmers! The open sores
>>>programmers try to cast *their* laziness as the user's laziness for "not
>>>digging deeply enough" to resolve their own problem, or even fixing the
>>>problem themselves by going into the source code. The fact that the
>>>Tomcat User mailing list often receives over 150 messages a day is more
>>>a testament to Tomcat's crappy documentation than to its popularity.
>>>
>>>Yes, yes, I know Tomcat is "not for me". You're damned right. I'm happy
>>>to pay money for quality. I guess Tomcat bares out the old adage, "you
>>>get what you pay for".
>>
>>If you don't feel special enough, I can do it in two seconds and can get
>>you a cool membership to the "dev-deny" list :)
>>
>>Rémy
>>
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