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From "Bill Barker" <>
Subject Re: New TLP draft
Date Sat, 09 Apr 2005 05:10:37 GMT

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Henri Yandell" <>
To: "Tomcat Developers List" <>
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 8:58 PM
Subject: Re: New TLP draft

> On Apr 8, 2005 11:19 PM, Bill Barker <> wrote:
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Costin Manolache" <>
>> To: <>
>> Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 7:23 PM
>> Subject: Re: New TLP draft
>> > Remy Maucherat wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Need to identify just how much of the jakarta-* CVS will go with
>> >>> Tomcat. Watchdog + ServletAPI modules?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> That's undecided. Would the old projects would remain at Jakarta, or
>> >> would they be covered by the new project ?
>> >
>> >
>> > Why would they remain in jakarta ? They have the same committer list as
>> > tomcat, and are closely related.
>> >
>> Urm, no.  For example I, personally, have no karma for any of
>> jakarta-servletapi* or jakarta-watchdog*.  Also, jakarta-watchdog* are 
>> all
>> dead projects.  It's all about who wants to watch the corpse ;-).
> A better description is that their committer list is a direct subset
> of the Tomcat list, and they exist primarily for use by the Tomcat
> community.

True for servletapi.

> Mark Thomas (I think, sorry if it wasn't Mark) explained Watchdog as
> existing for Tomcat 4 and being dead because Tomcat 5 no longer needed
> it (or some such). This seems like a pretty clear ownership by Tomcat.

Don't forget Tomcat 3! (except that jakarta-watchdog is hopelessly broken, 
with no active committers).  I don't really have any objection to 
corpse-watching.  We should probably assume jakarta-tools in this case as 
well (dead project used, AFAIK, only by watchdog).

> The ServletAPI modules were (I assume) created for use by Tomcat.
> Unless we start a project at Apache for hosting JCP spec jars, it
> seems that a part of the Tomcat community would be the ones writing
> the servletapi-3.0.jar in 2 years time; so servletapi also seems like
> it's owned by the Tomcat community.

Other than jakarta-servletapi-3.0 would be an alias for jakarta-servletapi, 
I agree with moving them to the tomcat PMC oversight.  However, they have a 
separate committer list (for good reason), and this should be preserved.

> Going a bit further out; I think it would be fair to say that the
> Tomcat community are the inheritors of the mod_jserv stuff; but as the
> last published cvs location for this no longer works, there's nothing
> concrete to hand off. Just vague ownership of something archived
> somewhere.

The last version of mod_jserv is already living in jakarta-tomcat.  If there 
is another copy not listed at, 
I vote to nuke it, since it is even older and less supported than the copy 
in jakarta-tomcat.  Personally, I don't care if the jakarta-tomcat version 
works or not (since I've finally moved my last webapp off of it :).

> Hen
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