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From Henri Yandell <>
Subject Re: TLP Draft Proposal
Date Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:02:12 GMT
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:37:45 -0500 (EST), Jim Jagielski <> wrote:
> The PMC Chair has "ultimate" authority, since the position is board
> appointed and results in the Chair being a VP of the ASF. There's
> no precedent for "sharing" the role or having a "co-Chair." The PMC
> Chair is the point man for the PMC.

Yeah, I think there might be confusion over the fact that the Chair
and the VP are the same person and not two different roles.

> The PMC Chair is nominated by the PMC, and the recommendation is
> sent in with the PMC resolution. The board then debates the issue
> and will usually approve the resolution and appoint the nominated
> person as chair.
> Since the PMC Chair is the main guy for the PMC, it is even more
> an issue for that person to be very much an ASF weenie and
> understand and embrace the Apache Way... It can be a
> "political" and "managerial" kind of position and any candidate
> should realize that sad fact :/

Yep. I think there's a very difficult choice to make between a leader
and a servant. Without meaning to cause insult, I'll use Lucene as an

Doug Cutting is the founder of Lucene and definitely one of the
leaders of the community. He was voted in as the chair. Erik Hatcher
however did a lot of the TLP preparation, legwork and migration crap.
While the chair does get looked to for leadership, there's a lot of
servitude to the community needed as well and unless you have people
volunteering, the chair will have to handle that themselves. If Doug
didn't have Erik volunteering to support him, would he want to
sacrifice that much time?

Biggest warning I have is that the servitude takes time. It'll be a
lot less for Tomcat than it is for me in Jakarta, but it still takes

On the ASF weenie/Apache Way bit; anyone who is an ASF member should
already have passed that one, and Yoav and Remy are both members. So
while it may be true, I don't think it matters in this case.


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