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From Henri Yandell <>
Subject Re: SVN migration?
Date Fri, 04 Feb 2005 07:57:35 GMT
I've not heard anything about it being mandatory yet, but the numbers
speak for themselves.

The site has 24 coding projects. There are 22 projects
listed on the page. 2 of those are dead, so
20 out of 24 ASF projects have an svn presence of some kind.

The people still left with readable CVS modules are:

2/3rds of jakarta
possibly gump (though they have an svn module too)
apache conference
most of xml
half of web services

So I assume at some point there'll be pressure to turn off the CVS server.

On the command line, svn is pretty much the same as cvs. Some bits are
faster, some slower. There are various improved features
( lists them) that people have been
asking for for ages with CVS.

Habit-wise, the only differences I've hit are:

1) you checkout from a url, not from a cvs-root and a path.
2) tagging/branching is done by copying a directory revision (really
creating a symlink-style thing in the database) and isn't applied to
every file individually.

Tool-wise, Subclipse is an Eclipse plugin that seems to work fine for
standard development (checkout, update, diff, commit). I'm unsure
whether you can create tags/branches using it as I always do that on
the command line, be it cvs or svn. IntelliJ has a plugin and the next
version will have it built in. TortoiseSvn is spoken well of, and I
can vouch for svn on linux/OS X, I've had no problems in the last year
of use.

Docs are docs :) Yep, they'll need updating. 

Build scripts. Do you have scripts that check modules out of cvs? If
so I imagine the ant support for svn might be a big deal. Unsure what
it's like.


On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 21:32:41 -0800, Costin Manolache
<> wrote:
> Is this mandatory ? I suspect there'll be a lot of build
> script/doc/habits/tool changes involved. CVS is working reasonably well
> at the moment, and a lot of tools have (finally) very good support for it.
> Costin
> Henri Yandell wrote:
> > Just wondering if the Tomcat community have any thoughts on a
> > migration to Subversion?
> >
> > The process seems pretty easy, though Tomcat may be more complicated
> > than the usual CVS module. Infra have the process documented at:
> >
> >
> >
> > The Jakarta status is in the wiki at:
> >
> >
> >
> > The aim would be for all the tomcat modules to migrate into
> > asf/repos/jakarta/tomcat/ so that we can have a cleaner top-level
> > structure to the system, within that though the Tomcat community are
> > free to choose whatever strategy fits.
> >
> > I've intentionally left Tomcat until last to nudge about this so as to
> > build up some experience within Jakarta of dealing with SVN as users
> > and as a migration. Some of you are probably already getting to grips
> > with svn following the Commons migration.
> >
> > Just to provide the context for this, the Infra group are looking to
> > move from CVS to SVN in the long term and Jakarta were far and away
> > the main laggards in this. In the last month or so, a third of Jakarta
> > has moved over, so that's now improving.
> >
> > Another question is whether the Tomcat community have any svn
> > expertise in terms of planning svn strategies, or whether we should
> > try to find some other committers to offer opinions.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Hen
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