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Subject DO NOT REPLY [Bug 33143] - [PATCH] Java 1.4 loggers per context
Date Mon, 07 Feb 2005 15:26:26 GMT
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------- Additional Comments From remm@apache.org  2005-02-07 16:26 -------
I don't see where or why I would admit anything. You claim on #19 that this is
not constructive, and on #20 you come back for more. This does not make any
sense to me, but here's more anyway :)

Why I like commons-logging:
- When packaged right, it works ok
- A huge amount of people are now using its API, therefore enabling unified
container wide logging configuration
- Logging integration for people who embed Tomcat (as my company is doing)
I do not care at all about discovery or whatever as long as it works well
enough, and I did not look at the implementation details inside commons-logging
either.

I would have less contempt for log4j if, for example, it had implemented the
java.util.logging API as a layer on top of its own API (and shipped the said
layer in its official JAR, of course). I don't think anybody would get hurt by
this, and this would be a productive first step towards unification. It would
remove the need for commons-logging in the next Tomcat version. We would use
java.util.logging, and, most likely, would be shipping a minimal log4j JAR with
only a rotatable file logger (obviously, nothing can be decided at this point,
and it's merely an idea). So you would get more users, while our default logging
setup would be better.

BTW, I don't see anything wrong with having "contempt of a fellow Apache
project". The amount of ASF folks who have written than Tomcat sucked in one way
or the other is absolutely staggering ;) Besides, the amount of Apache code is
now so huge, with some prjects more or less competing with each other, that I
don't see how I could love all of them. And, in log4j, I only actually dislike
the log4j API here.

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