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From "Shapira, Yoav" <Yoav.Shap...@mpi.com>
Subject RE: contrib directory
Date Mon, 01 Nov 2004 14:21:19 GMT

Hi,
Another option for now is to setup a SourceForge project for this.  I'd
be glad to link to it from our docs/FAQs/wiki pages.  You (two) could be
its committers, and we could work together to get additional
contributors setup there.

There has to be a critical mass...

Yoav Shapira http://www.yoavshapira.com
 

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Garrison, Meg [mailto:meg.garrison@hp.com]
>Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 9:18 AM
>To: Tomcat Developers List
>Subject: RE: contrib directory
>
>>>why not put it in the NetBeans repository where you're already setup?
>
>I'm only setup to commit to the /core module, which is not where the
>Tomcat files are found.
>
>Actually, we started out in the direction of contributing our Tomcat
>changes to NetBeans, see
>http://www.netbeans.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=49420
>
>And we contributed patches to NetBeans to start Tomcat on OpenVMS and a
>catalina.com to be placed in the tomcat bin directory that NetBeans
>ships.  The NetBeans folks told us they'd prefer we make the launcher
>contributions to Tomcat, since that's where they belong...which is why
I
>opened
>http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=31499
>
>against Tomcat.
>
>
>Meg
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Shapira, Yoav [mailto:Yoav.Shapira@mpi.com]
>Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 8:53 AM
>To: Tomcat Developers List
>Subject: RE: contrib directory
>
>
>Hi,
>That actually gave me an idea: why not put it in the NetBeans
repository
>where you're already setup?
>
>In Apache, there needs to be a long-demonstrated background of
>contributions before getting commit privileges.  We have different
>processes in this area than NetBeans and some of the other open-source
>collaborations.
>
>Yoav Shapira http://www.yoavshapira.com
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Garrison, Meg [mailto:meg.garrison@hp.com]
>>Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 7:03 AM
>>To: Tomcat Developers List
>>Subject: RE: contrib directory
>>
>>Hi Leslie,
>>
>>I'm also willing to maintain the HP OpenVMS scripts.  Rather than
>create
>>a whole new project (tomcat-contrib) maybe it would be possible for
the
>
>>Tomcat folks to grant us commit access to a single module/folder in
>>their CVS library (a contrib folder of some sort).  Then they wouldn't
>>have to worry about committing our changes, etc..  If we misbehave and
>>don't follow their rules, then they have the option to "boot us out".
>>That's how the NetBeans project does it.  For example, I have commit
>>powers in the core module, which is where the OpenVMS launcher lives,
>>but no other.  Our needs for NetBeans (as yours, I'm sure) require
that
>
>>the default Tomcat distribution contain our launcher somewhere...it
>>doesn't have to be in /bin.
>>
>>Any other ideas?
>>
>>Meg
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Leslie Kishalmi [mailto:lkishalmi_dev@freemail.hu]
>>Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 5:29 PM
>>To: Shapira, Yoav
>>Cc: Tomcat Developers List; Garrison, Meg
>>Subject: Re: contrib directory
>>
>>Dear all,
>>
>>  I'm willing to spend some of my limited free time to collect,
>organize
>>and maintain these contributed code.
>>However, it is very unlikely that I would be ever a committer on this
>>project with my OS/2 launchers.
>>So, as Yoav said, we could find an other committer. Or we could create
>>an other project something like tomcat-contrib where we maintain our
>>code.
>>
>>Best regards,
>>Leslie Kishalmi
>>
>>Shapira, Yoav wrote:
>>
>>>Hi,
>>>Yeah, it's gone for now.  The reason is that the maintenance aspect
is
>
>>>too hard for the long term.  While I don't doubt the quality of you
>(or
>>
>>>anyone else's) work, nothing is perfect.  It is inevitable that the
>>>scripts will need work.  Even if you stay on top of it and keep
>>>submitting patches, someone will have to keep checking for them and
>>>applying them.
>>>
>>>I'm not interested in doing that work, and other committers
apparently
>
>>>aren't interested enough to even comment on what an appropriate place
>>>in CVS might be for these contributions. So I took them out for now.
>>>
>>>That's not to say they're gone forever.  I can see a couple of
>possible
>>
>>>solutions, and that's why I'm doing this thread on tomcat-dev as
>>>opposed to just replying to you personally.
>>>
>>>One approach is what I'm doing now: contributed stuff is owned by
>>>authors (like you) who post it wherever they want (hp.com, personal
>web
>>
>>>sites, whatever), and we link to it from our FAQ and/or wiki pages.
>>>This approach solves the long-term maintenance concerns.
>>>
>>>If this was a one-time effort, I would have done it and we'd be all
>set
>>
>>>by now.  But it's not, and I just don't have the bandwidth to work it
>>>;( Another approach is for someone else with commit privileges to say
>>>they're interested and do what they think is appropriate.  That can
>>>happen at any time, I wouldn't stand in their way obviously, as I'm
>not
>>
>>>principally objecting to these contributions.  I just don't have the
>>>bandwidth to deal with them at this point.
>>>
>>>So this issue is not dead.  It's just not going to be in
5.0.30/5.5.4.
>>>We might also want to raise it on tomcat-user to see if people have
>>>other creative approaches to solving this.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Are you really going to take the contrib directory out?  I was just
>>>>about to make a contribution to you via PayPal as a thank you...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>Thank you ;)
>>>
>>>Yoav Shapira http://www.yoavshapira.com
>>>
>>>
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