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From "Garrison, Meg" <meg.garri...@hp.com>
Subject RE: contrib directory
Date Thu, 04 Nov 2004 12:31:22 GMT
Thanks Leslie.  Let me know if there's something I can do to help.

Meg 

-----Original Message-----
From: Leslie Kishalmi [mailto:lkishalmi_dev@freemail.hu] 
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 6:33 AM
To: Tomcat Developers List
Subject: Re: contrib directory

I've requested a project named "tomcat-launcher", leaving the
"tomcat-contrib" open, on SourceForge.
It runs on Apache 2.0 License. I'll send a notification whether it would
be approved or not.

Best regards,
    Leslie Kishalmi

Leslie Kishalmi wrote:

> Dear all,
>
>  I could tell the very same story with Ant, NetBeans, OS/2, CVS,  as
Meg.
> I also agree that experimental should not be included or in an other 
> project.
> tomcat-launcher and tomcat-contrib maybe?
>
> (Ant and ant-contrib is a different story. I think the tasks included 
> in ant-contrib violate the basic ant rule which says "ant is not a 
> script language".)
>
> Garrison, Meg wrote:
>
>> FWIW, we have recently contributed some OpenVMS-specific changes to 
>> Ant, which they accepted.  We did not contribute to Ant-contrib.
>>
>> I've signed CLAs for NetBeans, there isn't an issue on this end with 
>> that.  I assume the ASF CLA isn't all that different from the others.
>>
>> Also, I use cvs from my windows desktop machine to access the cvs 
>> server where the netbeans cvs library resides.  Or, if you really 
>> mean we need a Unix machine, we have lots of those here at HP ;-)
>>
>> But, in any case, if the only consensus we can reach at this point is

>> that a tomcat-contrib project would be the best place to host these 
>> sorts of files, then yes, let's do it :-) I personally would prefer 
>> that the tomcat-contrib project only contain contributions like mine 
>> and Leslie's because I think the NetBeans folks would be comfortable 
>> taking things like launchers, rather than experimental stuff, but I 
>> realize I don't really get a say in this.
>>
>> Meg
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: news [mailto:news@sea.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Costin Manolache
>> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 12:02 PM
>> To: tomcat-dev@jakarta.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: contrib directory
>>
>> Garrison, Meg wrote:
>>  
>>
>>> Hi Leslie,
>>>
>>> I'm also willing to maintain the HP OpenVMS scripts.  Rather than 
>>> create a whole new project (tomcat-contrib) maybe it would be 
>>> possible
>>>   
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>>> for the Tomcat folks to grant us commit access to a single 
>>> module/folder in their CVS library (a contrib folder of some sort).
>>> Then they wouldn't have to worry about committing our changes, etc..

>>> If we misbehave and don't follow their rules, then they have the
>>>   
>>
>> option to "boot us out".
>>  
>>
>>> That's how the NetBeans project does it.  For example, I have commit

>>> powers in the core module, which is where the OpenVMS launcher 
>>> lives, but no other.  Our needs for NetBeans (as yours, I'm sure) 
>>> require that the default Tomcat distribution contain our launcher 
>>> somewhere...it doesn't have to be in /bin.
>>>   
>>
>>
>> It would be a good idea, but I don't think it is possible at the
moment.
>>
>> Commit access requires a unix account on a machine, at least for cvs.

>> Even if this could be solved - there are non-technical problems, ASF 
>> requires a CLA, and a certain review and oversight process.
>>
>> Ant has an ant-contrib project on sourceforge ( including few ant 
>> committers ). Maybe we should have a tomcat-contrib as well. This 
>> would be a good idea even for committers - there is experimental 
>> stuff and code that is not necesarily "servlet container" but is 
>> tomcat related ( like non-http servers, etc ).
>>
>>
>>
>> Costin
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>>> Any other ideas?
>>>
>>> Meg
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Leslie Kishalmi [mailto:lkishalmi_dev@freemail.hu]
>>> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 5:29 PM
>>> To: Shapira, Yoav
>>> Cc: Tomcat Developers List; Garrison, Meg
>>> Subject: Re: contrib directory
>>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>>  I'm willing to spend some of my limited free time to collect, 
>>> organize and maintain these contributed code.
>>> However, it is very unlikely that I would be ever a committer on 
>>> this project with my OS/2 launchers.
>>> So, as Yoav said, we could find an other committer. Or we could 
>>> create
>>>   
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>>> an other project something like tomcat-contrib where we maintain our

>>> code.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Leslie Kishalmi
>>>
>>> Shapira, Yoav wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>> Yeah, it's gone for now.  The reason is that the maintenance aspect

>>>> is
>>>>     
>>>
>>
>>  
>>
>>>> too hard for the long term.  While I don't doubt the quality of you

>>>> (or
>>>>     
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>> anyone else's) work, nothing is perfect.  It is inevitable that the

>>>> scripts will need work.  Even if you stay on top of it and keep 
>>>> submitting patches, someone will have to keep checking for them and

>>>> applying them.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not interested in doing that work, and other committers 
>>>> apparently
>>>>     
>>>
>>
>>  
>>
>>>> aren't interested enough to even comment on what an appropriate 
>>>> place in CVS might be for these contributions. So I took them out 
>>>> for now.
>>>>
>>>> That's not to say they're gone forever.  I can see a couple of 
>>>> possible
>>>>     
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>> solutions, and that's why I'm doing this thread on tomcat-dev as 
>>>> opposed to just replying to you personally.
>>>>
>>>> One approach is what I'm doing now: contributed stuff is owned by 
>>>> authors (like you) who post it wherever they want (hp.com, personal

>>>> web
>>>>     
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>> sites, whatever), and we link to it from our FAQ and/or wiki pages.
>>>> This approach solves the long-term maintenance concerns.
>>>>
>>>> If this was a one-time effort, I would have done it and we'd be all

>>>> set
>>>>     
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>> by now.  But it's not, and I just don't have the bandwidth to work 
>>>> it ;( Another approach is for someone else with commit privileges 
>>>> to say they're interested and do what they think is appropriate.
>>>> That can happen at any time, I wouldn't stand in their way 
>>>> obviously, as I'm not
>>>>     
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>> principally objecting to these contributions.  I just don't have 
>>>> the bandwidth to deal with them at this point.
>>>>
>>>> So this issue is not dead.  It's just not going to be in
5.0.30/5.5.4.
>>>> We might also want to raise it on tomcat-user to see if people have

>>>> other creative approaches to solving this.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     
>>>>
>>>>> Are you really going to take the contrib directory out?  I was 
>>>>> just about to make a contribution to you via PayPal as a thank
you...
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>>       
>>>>
>>>> Thank you ;)
>>>>
>>>> Yoav Shapira http://www.yoavshapira.com
>>>>
>>>>
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