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From "Garrison, Meg" <meg.garri...@hp.com>
Subject RE: contrib directory
Date Mon, 01 Nov 2004 15:36:19 GMT
I guess that's what we'll have to do.

-meg 

-----Original Message-----
From: Leslie Kishalmi [mailto:lkishalmi_dev@freemail.hu] 
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 10:23 AM
To: Tomcat Developers List
Subject: Re: contrib directory

Dear all,

  I've walked almost the same path with OS/2 on the NetBeans side as Meg
with OpenVMS. A new sourceforge project could be a working idea. As then
both TomCat and maybe "tomcat-contrib" would be a third-party stuff for
NetBeans. So we might convince them to include this into their release
(4.1 earliest).

Best regards,
    Leslie Kishalmi

Shapira, Yoav wrote:

>Hi,
>Another option for now is to setup a SourceForge project for this.  I'd

>be glad to link to it from our docs/FAQs/wiki pages.  You (two) could 
>be its committers, and we could work together to get additional 
>contributors setup there.
>
>There has to be a critical mass...
>
>Yoav Shapira http://www.yoavshapira.com
> 
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Garrison, Meg [mailto:meg.garrison@hp.com]
>>Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 9:18 AM
>>To: Tomcat Developers List
>>Subject: RE: contrib directory
>>
>>    
>>
>>>>why not put it in the NetBeans repository where you're already
setup?
>>>>        
>>>>
>>I'm only setup to commit to the /core module, which is not where the 
>>Tomcat files are found.
>>
>>Actually, we started out in the direction of contributing our Tomcat 
>>changes to NetBeans, see 
>>http://www.netbeans.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=49420
>>
>>And we contributed patches to NetBeans to start Tomcat on OpenVMS and 
>>a catalina.com to be placed in the tomcat bin directory that NetBeans 
>>ships.  The NetBeans folks told us they'd prefer we make the launcher 
>>contributions to Tomcat, since that's where they belong...which is why
>>    
>>
>I
>  
>
>>opened
>>http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=31499
>>
>>against Tomcat.
>>
>>
>>Meg
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Shapira, Yoav [mailto:Yoav.Shapira@mpi.com]
>>Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 8:53 AM
>>To: Tomcat Developers List
>>Subject: RE: contrib directory
>>
>>
>>Hi,
>>That actually gave me an idea: why not put it in the NetBeans
>>    
>>
>repository
>  
>
>>where you're already setup?
>>
>>In Apache, there needs to be a long-demonstrated background of 
>>contributions before getting commit privileges.  We have different 
>>processes in this area than NetBeans and some of the other open-source

>>collaborations.
>>
>>Yoav Shapira http://www.yoavshapira.com
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Garrison, Meg [mailto:meg.garrison@hp.com]
>>>Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 7:03 AM
>>>To: Tomcat Developers List
>>>Subject: RE: contrib directory
>>>
>>>Hi Leslie,
>>>
>>>I'm also willing to maintain the HP OpenVMS scripts.  Rather than
>>>      
>>>
>>create
>>    
>>
>>>a whole new project (tomcat-contrib) maybe it would be possible for
>>>      
>>>
>the
>  
>
>>>Tomcat folks to grant us commit access to a single module/folder in 
>>>their CVS library (a contrib folder of some sort).  Then they 
>>>wouldn't have to worry about committing our changes, etc..  If we 
>>>misbehave and don't follow their rules, then they have the option to
"boot us out".
>>>That's how the NetBeans project does it.  For example, I have commit 
>>>powers in the core module, which is where the OpenVMS launcher lives,

>>>but no other.  Our needs for NetBeans (as yours, I'm sure) require
>>>      
>>>
>that
>  
>
>>>the default Tomcat distribution contain our launcher somewhere...it 
>>>doesn't have to be in /bin.
>>>
>>>Any other ideas?
>>>
>>>Meg
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Leslie Kishalmi [mailto:lkishalmi_dev@freemail.hu]
>>>Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 5:29 PM
>>>To: Shapira, Yoav
>>>Cc: Tomcat Developers List; Garrison, Meg
>>>Subject: Re: contrib directory
>>>
>>>Dear all,
>>>
>>> I'm willing to spend some of my limited free time to collect,
>>>      
>>>
>>organize
>>    
>>
>>>and maintain these contributed code.
>>>However, it is very unlikely that I would be ever a committer on this

>>>project with my OS/2 launchers.
>>>So, as Yoav said, we could find an other committer. Or we could 
>>>create an other project something like tomcat-contrib where we 
>>>maintain our code.
>>>
>>>Best regards,
>>>Leslie Kishalmi
>>>
>>>Shapira, Yoav wrote:
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>Hi,
>>>>Yeah, it's gone for now.  The reason is that the maintenance aspect
>>>>        
>>>>
>is
>  
>
>>>>too hard for the long term.  While I don't doubt the quality of you
>>>>        
>>>>
>>(or
>>    
>>
>>>>anyone else's) work, nothing is perfect.  It is inevitable that the 
>>>>scripts will need work.  Even if you stay on top of it and keep 
>>>>submitting patches, someone will have to keep checking for them and 
>>>>applying them.
>>>>
>>>>I'm not interested in doing that work, and other committers
>>>>        
>>>>
>apparently
>  
>
>>>>aren't interested enough to even comment on what an appropriate 
>>>>place in CVS might be for these contributions. So I took them out
for now.
>>>>
>>>>That's not to say they're gone forever.  I can see a couple of
>>>>        
>>>>
>>possible
>>    
>>
>>>>solutions, and that's why I'm doing this thread on tomcat-dev as 
>>>>opposed to just replying to you personally.
>>>>
>>>>One approach is what I'm doing now: contributed stuff is owned by 
>>>>authors (like you) who post it wherever they want (hp.com, personal
>>>>        
>>>>
>>web
>>    
>>
>>>>sites, whatever), and we link to it from our FAQ and/or wiki pages.
>>>>This approach solves the long-term maintenance concerns.
>>>>
>>>>If this was a one-time effort, I would have done it and we'd be all
>>>>        
>>>>
>>set
>>    
>>
>>>>by now.  But it's not, and I just don't have the bandwidth to work 
>>>>it ;( Another approach is for someone else with commit privileges to

>>>>say they're interested and do what they think is appropriate.  That 
>>>>can happen at any time, I wouldn't stand in their way obviously, as 
>>>>I'm
>>>>        
>>>>
>>not
>>    
>>
>>>>principally objecting to these contributions.  I just don't have the

>>>>bandwidth to deal with them at this point.
>>>>
>>>>So this issue is not dead.  It's just not going to be in
>>>>        
>>>>
>5.0.30/5.5.4.
>  
>
>>>>We might also want to raise it on tomcat-user to see if people have 
>>>>other creative approaches to solving this.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>Are you really going to take the contrib directory out?  I was just

>>>>>about to make a contribution to you via PayPal as a thank you...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>Thank you ;)
>>>>
>>>>Yoav Shapira http://www.yoavshapira.com
>>>>
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