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From Endre StĂžlsvik <>
Subject Re: [] Progress
Date Fri, 16 Jul 2004 10:13:55 GMT
On Thu, 15 Jul 2004, Remy Maucherat wrote:

| Jess Holle wrote:
| > Just a note:
| >
| > Please allow the anti-locking stuff to be skipped on Windows as well.
| > [Some of us value performance over deployment convenience.]
| Yes, of course. In production, many people don't use hot deployment (it
| doesn't give good enough QoS right now, IMO).
| >> - Possibly require JDK 1.5 (cleaner code, annotations, integrated JMX
| >> and JMX
| >> remote, etc)
| >
| > It would be good to get many of the changes listed above this last point
| > available in 5.0.x and usable with JDK 1.4.2 and then branch to 5.1 and
| > do 1.5-specific goodies.
| No for 5.0.x, as nearly everything in my list requires API breakage :(
| For now, I don't have any JDK 1.5 features in mind: this item is there
| just in case.

In my opinion, it is very bad to require the -latest- JDK there is for
such low-level "software-stack-components" as the Servlet Container is.
I mean, the 1.5 (5.0) isn't even released!
  There should at least be a couple of viable JDKs of a particular
version, before you intend to depend Tomcat on it (e.g. when IBM, SUN,
JRockit and a couple of others (!) have a J2SDK 5.0-version out, you might
consider it). Any depedencies on 1.5 should -most definately- be done
using introspection or configurable "1.5 classes" that you can add if you

IMHO, I think you should make Tomcat run perfectly, and actually develop
it, on 1.3.


PS: What an IDIOTIC versioning scheme Sun is using!! What on earth is the
idea with "Java -2-", and then upping the minor-versioning to -5-??
"Java 2 version 5.0".. WHAT???
  It actually pisses me off - can't we just say "Java 5", then?

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