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From Brian Olsen <>
Subject Re: [PATCH] Change getSession() in org.apache.catalina.Session from HttpSession to a more general interface (enhancement request 21169)
Date Mon, 30 Jun 2003 11:41:11 GMT
Bill Barker wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brian Olsen" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 1:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [PATCH] Change getSession() in org.apache.catalina.Session from
> HttpSession to a more general interface (enhancement request 21169)
>>Remy Maucherat wrote:
>>>Brian Olsen wrote:
>>>>Hey Guys,
>>>>I just made a proposed patch for the enhancement request I made
>>>>regarding the SIP Servlet API
>>>>It adds a new interface org.apache.catalina.ServletSession that
>>>>contains the methods that HttpSession has in common with
>>>>SipSession and SipApplicationSession.
>>>>The interface changes are non-intrusive meaning that it changes or
>>>>adds no functionality so if a class implements HttpSession it will also
>>>>implement all the methods in ServletSession.
>>>>To make catalina support the new interface have have made the
>>>>following changes:
>>>>org.apache.catalina.Session - changed to return a ServletSession in
>>>>the getSession() method
>>>>org.apache.catalina.session.StandardSession - makes it implement
>>>>ServletSession and typecasts to HttpSession where needed.
>>>>org.apache.catalina.session.StandardSessionFacade - makes it implement
>>>>org.apache.coyote.tomcat5.CoyoteRequest - typecasts from
>>>>ServletSession to HttpSession in the getSession( boolean )
>>>I'm not that thrilled by the patch, because we made the decision in TC 5
>>>to work only with the HTTP protocol, for complexity reasons. Actually,
>>>it's merely the underlying protocol having to behave like HTTP (although
>>>the older TC 4.0 was supposedly protocol generic, it ended up being
>>>designed with HTTP in mind, so it wasn't much better).
>>>I know a bit the SIP spec, and that patch would sove the problem for
>>>sessions. How do you plan to solve it for the connector ?
>>>(the idea is that Coyote - supporting HTTP and JK - will remain the only
>>>supported connector in TC 5, the internal Catalina API being conserved
>>>for compatibility, or at least easy porting, of any old Catalina module)
>>I don't see how there should be a problem with the connector, besides
>>the fact that it has to also do outgoing connections. This only means
>>that it gets a little more complex than the ordinary connector but not
>>anything I have worries about.
>>It is sad that you made that descision especially with the arrival of
>>SIP Servlets that is the first real specification for using servlets for
>>something other than HTTP. Before you could only guess as to how
>>servlets otherwise could be used.
>>But how will this decision affect the future of the internal Catalina
>>API??? Will you deprecate all of it, just parts, redesign it all from
> Like Remy, I'm -0 on the patch.  As I read Remy's post, this means that
> neither of us will actually veto it if some other developer decides to post
> it.  However, neither of us consider it to be a-good-idea, so we will be
> looking for implementation holes to veto ;-).
Just try and find any holes ;-) It doesn't add a line of active code 
only interface change and typecasts.

But what other reasons is there against the change other than the 
principal decision of only supporting HTTP in Tomcat 5??? And Remy 
himself says earlier in this thread "Actually, it's merely the 
underlying protocol having to behave like HTTP." And both SIP and RTSP 
behave much like HTTP given they both are designed with basis in HTTP.
The problem is really that HttpSession and SipSession doesn't have any 
common interface, like say ServletRequest, so there is really no way to 
design a good interface in the container. I admit that the patch I sent 
is not that pretty. To call it a hack would more be the right term, but 
since the Servlet specification doesn't define a ServletSession 
interface how could it otherwise be done?

I would really like to keep baseing my servlet containers on tomcat, 
since (for the most part ;-)) the interfaces are very well thought and 
designed. And I would really hate to have to start from scratch and make 
my very own container when a great deal of the foundation has allready 
been laid by you.

> The internal Catalina API (e.g. org.apache.catalina.*) is pretty stable.
> There are no current plans to change it.
Pu eh! You had me worried there for a moment.

- Brian

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