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From "Bill Barker" <wbar...@wilshire.com>
Subject Re: [VOTE] minimal JSR 154 only distribution
Date Sat, 07 Dec 2002 08:59:20 GMT
It would cause nightmares if you knew how badly I've got my e-mails
cross-linked :).

This is to +1 the original VOTE.  While I'm personally a heavy JSP user,
having patched TC 3.3.x to allow it to run in servlet-only mode, I see the
need for offering a servlet-only container.

According to the Costin-vote-watch, we still need at least one more
(binding) +1 to authorize a servlet-only release of Tomcat.

----- Original Message -----
From: "IAS" <iasandcb@apache-korea.org>
To: "'Tomcat Developers List'" <tomcat-dev@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 11:02 PM
Subject: RE: [VOTE] minimal JSR 154 only distribution


> I'm very glad to see this vote proposal because it seems to me like the
> first step of Servlet/JSP mutual independence.
>
> Two months ago I proposed Tomcat architectural refactoring plan (at that
> time "Tomcat subproject plan") on
> http://www.mail-archive.com/tomcat-dev@jakarta.apache.org/msg34720.html.
> I also showed JSF+Struts+Catalina ensemble on
> http://www.mail-archive.com/tomcat-dev@jakarta.apache.org/msg35116.html
> and a possible Jasper-Catalina relationship on
> http://www.mail-archive.com/tomcat-dev@jakarta.apache.org/msg35119.html.
> I sincerely understand a very few of Tomcat committers share interest in
> this issue like jean-frederic clere's seconding on
> http://www.mail-archive.com/tomcat-dev@jakarta.apache.org/msg34768.html.
>
>
> In my humble opinion, in terms of technology, it is not imperative that
> Servlet should go with JSP. In fact, the mother of Tomcat, JServ also
> started as a Servlet engine. In other words, Servlet technology itself
> is independent one. It also implies that Java Web developers have
> freedom of choosing dynamic page generation technology over Servlet. We
> can say we have right to use JSP, but on the other hand, we have right
> not to use JSP in purely technical perspective.
>
> However, I totally agree on the need that we deliver JSP equipped Tomcat
> for the majority of Tomcat users who are very familiar with JSP (even
> cannot live without JSP like me :-). I guess the problem is "Who will do
> (or exactly speaking, be willing to do) the job, i.e. making
> Servlet-only-Tomcat since we need a considerable number of Tomcat
> committers (Costin said 3) for that. If we get wide support from Tomcat
> committers but they can't afford the job, how about gathering
> Servlet-only-Tomcat team whether they belong to committers or not? I
> hope there would be many people who will volunteer for that, including
> myself. The detailed processes respecting the work could be discussed
> from now on, and this chance might be a new attempt to develop greater
> Tomcat empowered by volunteers.
>
> Thanks in advance.
> IAS
>
> ===========================================================
> Lee, Changshin (Korean name)
> IAS (International name)
>                    Company Web Site: http://www.tmax.co.kr
>                    Personal Web Site: http://www.iasandcb.pe.kr
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> Senior Researcher & Java Technology Evangelist
> JCP member - http://jcp.org/en/participation/members/L
> R&D Institute
> Tmax Soft, Inc.
> JCP member - http://jcp.org/en/participation/members/T
> ==========================================================
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jon Scott Stevens [mailto:jon@latchkey.com]
> > Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 1:09 AM
> > To: tomcat-dev
> > Subject: [VOTE] minimal JSR 154 only distribution
> >
> > Create a separate minimal JSR 154 only distribution of Tomcat 4.x:
> >
> >     +1  []
> >     0   []
> >     -1  []
> >
> > -jon
> >
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> >
> >
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