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From "Bill Barker" <wbar...@wilshire.com>
Subject Re: [VOTE] minimal JSR 154 only distribution
Date Sat, 07 Dec 2002 21:25:19 GMT

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hans Schmid" <hans@mega-schmid.de>
To: "Tomcat Developers List" <tomcat-dev@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 9:03 AM
Subject: AW: [VOTE] minimal JSR 154 only distribution


> Hi,
>
> I would like to have the possibility to not include jasper in our
production
> system.
>
> We are using TC 3.3.2-dev plus Velocity.
>
> It does not really hurt us, but having fewer code is always better IHMO :)
> I really love the modularity og TC 3.3.x
>
> Bill, can you give me hints, how to patch TC 3.3.2-dev to exclude jasper ?
>

If you remove JspInterceptor from server.xml in TC 3.3.2-dev (or even
3.3.1), Tomcat will no longer understand anything about JSPs.  In this case,
it will be a Servlet-only container.

>
> Another thought regarding the Admin Webapp in TC 4.x/TC 5.0:
> (please forgive me if I am completly off the track here)
>
> I would rather like to be able to use the Admin Webapp on a seperate
remote
> Admin Tomcat to control our production system. I really do not want to
> install
> such sensitive code on our live servers. So the Admin Webapp could connect
> to the
> production Tomcat and execute for example ant tasks to restart contexts,
> deploy a webapp
> and so on.
>
> (The localhost shutdown restriction is no option, since our servers are at
> out ISP
> and have to be controlled from within our office.)
>
> Thanks,
> Hans
>
>
>
>
> > -----Urspr√ľngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: Bill Barker [mailto:wbarker@wilshire.com]
> > Gesendet: Samstag, 7. Dezember 2002 09:59
> > An: Tomcat Developers List
> > Betreff: Re: [VOTE] minimal JSR 154 only distribution
> >
> >
> > It would cause nightmares if you knew how badly I've got my e-mails
> > cross-linked :).
> >
> > This is to +1 the original VOTE.  While I'm personally a heavy JSP user,
> > having patched TC 3.3.x to allow it to run in servlet-only mode, I see
the
> > need for offering a servlet-only container.
> >
> > According to the Costin-vote-watch, we still need at least one more
> > (binding) +1 to authorize a servlet-only release of Tomcat.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "IAS" <iasandcb@apache-korea.org>
> > To: "'Tomcat Developers List'" <tomcat-dev@jakarta.apache.org>
> > Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 11:02 PM
> > Subject: RE: [VOTE] minimal JSR 154 only distribution
> >
> >
> > > I'm very glad to see this vote proposal because it seems to me like
the
> > > first step of Servlet/JSP mutual independence.
> > >
> > > Two months ago I proposed Tomcat architectural refactoring plan (at
that
> > > time "Tomcat subproject plan") on
> > >
http://www.mail-archive.com/tomcat-dev@jakarta.apache.org/msg34720.html.
> > > I also showed JSF+Struts+Catalina ensemble on
> > >
http://www.mail-archive.com/tomcat-dev@jakarta.apache.org/msg35116.html
> > > and a possible Jasper-Catalina relationship on
> > >
http://www.mail-archive.com/tomcat-dev@jakarta.apache.org/msg35119.html.
> > > I sincerely understand a very few of Tomcat committers share interest
in
> > > this issue like jean-frederic clere's seconding on
> > >
http://www.mail-archive.com/tomcat-dev@jakarta.apache.org/msg34768.html.
> > >
> > >
> > > In my humble opinion, in terms of technology, it is not imperative
that
> > > Servlet should go with JSP. In fact, the mother of Tomcat, JServ also
> > > started as a Servlet engine. In other words, Servlet technology itself
> > > is independent one. It also implies that Java Web developers have
> > > freedom of choosing dynamic page generation technology over Servlet.
We
> > > can say we have right to use JSP, but on the other hand, we have right
> > > not to use JSP in purely technical perspective.
> > >
> > > However, I totally agree on the need that we deliver JSP equipped
Tomcat
> > > for the majority of Tomcat users who are very familiar with JSP (even
> > > cannot live without JSP like me :-). I guess the problem is "Who will
do
> > > (or exactly speaking, be willing to do) the job, i.e. making
> > > Servlet-only-Tomcat since we need a considerable number of Tomcat
> > > committers (Costin said 3) for that. If we get wide support from
Tomcat
> > > committers but they can't afford the job, how about gathering
> > > Servlet-only-Tomcat team whether they belong to committers or not? I
> > > hope there would be many people who will volunteer for that, including
> > > myself. The detailed processes respecting the work could be discussed
> > > from now on, and this chance might be a new attempt to develop greater
> > > Tomcat empowered by volunteers.
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance.
> > > IAS
> > >
> > > ===========================================================
> > > Lee, Changshin (Korean name)
> > > IAS (International name)
> > >                    Company Web Site: http://www.tmax.co.kr
> > >                    Personal Web Site: http://www.iasandcb.pe.kr
> > > -------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > Senior Researcher & Java Technology Evangelist
> > > JCP member - http://jcp.org/en/participation/members/L
> > > R&D Institute
> > > Tmax Soft, Inc.
> > > JCP member - http://jcp.org/en/participation/members/T
> > > ==========================================================
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Jon Scott Stevens [mailto:jon@latchkey.com]
> > > > Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 1:09 AM
> > > > To: tomcat-dev
> > > > Subject: [VOTE] minimal JSR 154 only distribution
> > > >
> > > > Create a separate minimal JSR 154 only distribution of Tomcat 4.x:
> > > >
> > > >     +1  []
> > > >     0   []
> > > >     -1  []
> > > >
> > > > -jon
> > > >
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