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From "Craig R. McClanahan" <craig...@apache.org>
Subject RE: [5.0] [VOTE] Removal of the LE distribution
Date Thu, 03 Oct 2002 19:34:03 GMT


On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Costin Manolache wrote:

> Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 11:30:47 -0700
> From: Costin Manolache <cmanolache@yahoo.com>
> Reply-To: Tomcat Developers List <tomcat-dev@jakarta.apache.org>
> To: tomcat-dev@jakarta.apache.org
> Subject: RE: [5.0] [VOTE] Removal of the LE distribution
>
> iasandcb wrote:
>
> > First all, I vote
> > <ballot>
> > +1 [ ] Yes, remove the LE distribution
> > -1 [ ] No, keep both distributions
> > </ballot>
> >
> > Next, I'd like to make this clear: Tomcat 5 is based on JSP 2.0 spec,
> > which requires J2SE 1.4. Therefore Tomcat 5 also can't run without J2SE
> > 1.4 ideally. However, I found that the new catalina engine and jasper 2
> > compiler for Tomcat 5 don't mandate so.
> > Is J2SE 1.4(or later) necessary for Tomcat 5? Or does Tomcat 5 support
> > J2SE 1.3(or earlier) for backward compatibitity with disabled JSP 2
> > feature?
> > My opinion on this issue is that Tomcat 5 should have J2SE 1.4 in
> > compliance with JSP 2.0 spec basically.
>
> What ???
>
> Where did you find this info ? I read the JSP2.0 draft and didn't
> find such thing. It would be just stupid - I don't know any
> other spec to require more than Java2 (i.e. JDK1.2+).
>
> If the final spec is aproved and includes JDK1.4 requirements - then there's
> nothing we can do, we'll have to stop supporting 1.3 in the official tomcat
> distibution. But given that now the 2 specs are distinct - and
> some people use only the servlet spec, I think the servlet engine and
> connectors should remain JDK1.2+.
>

The J2EE 1.4 (PFD) Platform Spec requires JDK 1.4.  That is not directly
relevant for Tomcat standalone releases.

The Servlet 2.4 (PFD) Spec still says JDK 1.2 is the minimum (Section 1.2,
last paragraph).  This affects Catalina and Coyote code for Tomcat 5.

The JSP 2.0 (PFD) Spec has implied dependencies on JDK 1.4, but I could
not find any specific assertion to that effect -- cc'ing the JSP Spec
feedback address above to suggest that this be clarified.  This affects
Jasper code in Tomcat 5.

Personally, I think it would make Catalina/Coyote development, and Tomcat
5 packaging, a lot easier if we adopted JDK 1.4 as the minimum platform
for Tomcat 5, but that is a separate decision from what the spec
requirements are.

> Costin
>

Craig


>
> >
> > IAS
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Remy Maucherat [mailto:remm@apache.org]
> > Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 2:24 AM
> > To: Tomcat Developers List
> > Subject: [5.0] [VOTE] Removal of the LE distribution
> >
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Before starting to release 5.0.x milestones, I would like to propose
> > having only one distribution for Tomcat 5.0.x, and standardize on what
> > the LE distribution contains (so well, it's more the other distribution
> > which gets removed).
> >
> > It has some advantages:
> > - it is slightly smaller (less these days now that the XML parser has to
> >
> > be shipped again with Tomcat)
> > - runs as-is on JDK 1.3 (because of the Xerces inclusion)
> > - 99% Apache or Apache-style licence (the JDBC 2 standard extension is
> > needed for JDK 1.3 DataSource support :-()
> > - less user confusion
> >
> > The main "problem" is that the user will need additional downloads for
> > some of the more advanced features, and the package will also not run on
> >
> > JDK 1.2 as is (but from what I've seen, JDK 1.2 compatibility may not be
> >
> > a priority for developers).
> >
> > <ballot>
> > +1 [ ] Yes, remove the LE distribution
> > -1 [ ] No, keep both distributions
> > </ballot>
> >
> > Remy
> >
> >
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