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From Lenny Karpel <>
Subject RE: Jasper 2 Question
Date Thu, 19 Sep 2002 22:28:17 GMT
ok .. now I am really confused .. here is the tomcat development group ..
the 'Official Reference Implementation' for JSP .. and I am being told by
people within this group .. to NOT use it ..

this is truly amazing .. how can this possibly be ..

my original question is about 'bugs' in jasper2 .. not about what tools I
should use .. my question is not one of religion .. 

once again .. the quote from the intellij site ..

"As for Tomcat 4.1.x support, I'm afraid we are out-of-luck here. Tomcat
4.0.4 used to generate useful comments in the servlet code, that allowed the
integration plugin to map jsp line numbers to servlet line numbers. But from
the new version of Tomcat (Jasper2 in particular), this functionality is
missing. At least I haven't been able to find anything to enable comment
generation, and nobody from Tomcat user-list answered my question about

for myself .. all I want to know .. is if this 'situation' in jasper2 will
be fixed .. if so .. when .. if not .. why ..

we use JSP here .. as do quite a few others .. in quite a few places .. 

i did not post this question to find out that the developers of JSP (jasper)
would rather I use something else ..

could this possibly be how the 'managers' of this development effort feel ??

-----Original Message-----
From: Bojan Smojver [] 
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 3:25 PM
To: Tomcat Dev List
Subject: RE: Jasper 2 Question

On Fri, 2002-09-20 at 04:30, Lenny Karpel wrote:

> is it right that when I ask a serious question about jasper2 that I 
> get these totally ridiculous answers ?

Well, Jon and Pier are known to throw in a curly one from time to time,
which keeps all of us here on the list in good spirits  ;-)

Anyway, there is a serious side to all this as JSP's are inherently evil.
You'll find that creating true MVC applications in Velocity is almost
trivial. I suggest you do read Jon's article. The fact that JSP's are
"official", doesn't mean they are good.


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