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From Dan Sandberg...@cs.stanford.edu>
Subject Re: [VOTE] New Committer Dan Sandberg
Date Fri, 24 May 2002 23:10:09 GMT
Granting that I'm not as experienced with open-source collaboration as 
the rest of you are, my intuition is that the easier it is for people to 
make changes to the code-base ( assuming their contributions are 
reviewed ) the faster the code-base will improve and bugs will be 
eliminated.

Again, this is contigent on the belief that contributions will be 
reviewed by somebody for security, bugs, and code quality.

As for the question that Pier asked: How much responsibility am I 
willing to take on?

I am willing to address bugs, and review contributions to the SSI code. 
 I would usually not vote on committers unless I >know< that they should 
be + or -, which will be rare.

Similarly, I would vote on release plans, the future of the project, 
etc., if and only if I feel I had something to add in those areas, which 
will probably be rare.

>If you want to know the real price of becoming a commiter - it's
>loosing all control over the code you write, having to play flame wars
>and grow a thick skin. And you may spend many weekends doing work
>that is just thrown away.

I'm thick-headed and thick-skinned, so this is not a problem.   I'll 
skip on the flame wars though. :)

>Are you interested? I don't want to sound bad, but hey
>everything comes at a price :) :) :)

I don't view committer status as a trophy.  I just want to fix things 
that are broken.  Having commit access makes this easier for me and for 
everyone else.

>If you want my advice - create a sourceforge account, do all the work
>on SSI there, and have fun. ( and maybe give access to other
>tomcat commiters who are interested to work on SSI ).

Not sure how this helps.  If I understand the suggestion correctly, this 
is equivalent to forking the SSI code, which definitely won't help the 
development process.

I just read Pier's proposal, and I agree with him.

Sorry to have instigated all this, but I suppose it's something that 
would have had to be dealt with sooner or later...

-Dan


Pier Fumagalli wrote:

>costinm@covalent.net <costinm@covalent.net> wrote:
>
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>
>>On Fri, 24 May 2002, Pier Fumagalli wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Just one question on this. Being a committer implies that you're going to
>>>have the right (and the due, of course, like in any good democracy) to (for
>>>example) elect PMC members, have -also- a some sort of responsibility over
>>>what you do, and what others do, meaning code reviews, deciding on the
>>>future of the whole tomcat project, voting on future release plans and
>>>such... As I said, this is not only a right, but also a responsibility. As a
>>>committer you _should_ be doing that.
>>>
>>>Now, my question is, do you want _at_this_point_ to have that
>>>responsibility? Are you interested? I don't want to sound bad, but hey
>>>everything comes at a price :) :) :)
>>>      
>>>
>>Most tomcat commiters review only a small ammount of the commits, that
>>is relevant to what they know.  Voting ( or beeing voted ) in PMC is
>>optional. 
>>
>>If you want to know the real price of becoming a commiter - it's
>>loosing all control over the code you write, having to play flame wars
>>and grow a thick skin. And you may spend many weekends doing work
>>that is just thrown away.
>>
>>
>>Pier is right in this aspect - and I fully agree with him that
>>beeing a jakarta commiter comes at a much bigger price than you
>>may think.  
>>
>>
>>If you want my advice - create a sourceforge account, do all the work
>>on SSI there, and have fun. ( and maybe give access to other
>>tomcat commiters who are interested to work on SSI ).
>>    
>>
>
>Very constructive, Costin, indeed... See my next email (at least I'm trying
>to propose something)...
>
>    Pier
>
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