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From Jeff Turner <>
Subject Divorcing karma from CVS access? (Re: Vicious Abuse?)
Date Sun, 26 May 2002 04:41:21 GMT
On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 03:51:54PM +0100, Pier Fumagalli wrote:
> "Jeff Turner" <> wrote:
> > .. and thankful that people like Costin persevere in spite of rather
> > vicious abuse.
> Vicious abuse? All I am proposing is to add greater flexibility to the
> freedom of those who are involved with the Jakarta project.

I was objecting to unprovoked Costin-bashing outside tomcat-dev, not
your proposal. People outside tomcat-dev may not understand why a PMC
member deserved your comments ;P

As for your proposal, a few thoughts:

- AFAIK there is no requirement that a committer be a coder. See the
  definition on An example:
  Diana Shannon voted as a Cocoon committer, for volunteering to
  coordinate docs:

- Your proposal redefined 'contributor' to include CVS access, and I
  think that will cause confusion with the existing, looser meaning.

- (random thoughts..) The whole notion of defining a person's worth in
  terms of their CVS access seems backwards and wrong. The
  'committer/non-committer' dividing line is an artifact of CVS's
  coarse-grained access control, and will disappear once we migrate to
  Subversion or whatever. It would be nice if there was a 'rating'
  system that didn't hijack the versioning system's terminology. Karma
  rated on a different scale to CVS access. Then there could be a
  one-way mapping, X karma -> Y CVS access. The karma system could be
  something like advogato's (


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