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From jean-frederic clere <>
Subject Re: MinTC, "terrible rudeness", persistence
Date Mon, 22 Apr 2002 10:05:30 GMT
GOMEZ Henri wrote:
>>This cannot be done, as the layering structure of the ASF 
>>won't "allow" it.
>>It can be hosted either in commons, either here (but then it would be
>>swallowed by the TC project itself), or as a top level project 
>>of Jakarta
>>(or some other project)...
> couldn't it be a tomcat sub project like jasper2 or jtc ?
>>>Do you remember what you say yesterday about platform problems ?)
>>I clearly do, I replied to your post saying that "I don't care" about
>>AS/400s and stated clearly what my objectives are (compilation 
>>of mod_jk
>>under hesoteric operating systems is not a bug, not a security 
>>hole, but
>>simply a port of a "component" I'm not involved with - let's make a
>>difference here).
> Ok, that's why an alternative build system which may help build
> on hesoterico-exotico OS is still good to take. end of story ;)
>>It's something I won't probably need in the future, and 
>>_I_BELIEVE_ doesn't
>>affect our users community "at large", as frankly AFAIK you're 
>>the only one
>>with one of those little nifty IBM machines I know). 
> JF/Martin from ASF have also some interesting systems ;)

Sure ;-)
I hope to run TC on an EBCDIC mainframe (Using Apache-1.3 and mod_jk).

> There is many commiters on ASF who works directly on indirectly 
> for IBM and use/contribute ASF projects. Not speaking about 
> AS/400 techies from IBM Rochester Labs tracking tomcat-dev 
> in silent mode, and I'd like to heard a little more (Walt, Jim be our guests).
> Tomcat is a server side application and AS/400 is not so exotic 
> on server area. That's why it's so important to get it there.
> IBM use on AS/400, some of the latest ASF works, Apache 2.0, Tomcat 
> (yes still 3.2.1, they need to upgrade their own mod_jk version
> to be able to use tomcat 3.3.1 or 4.0.3 since updates in headers
> in ajp13). 
> I'm very happy using tomcat/apache2.0/jk on AS/400 instead of
> being limited to IBM own websphere. Having OSS on such 'closed'
> systems is a great victory of ASF....
>>But at least I
>>replied... (Ok, now don't nitpick on the fact that I'm not 
>>fixing Win32 bugs
>>on Win32, I _don't_have_ a Win32 machine anymore, at least 
>>since I left Sun
>>Microsystems, and my MSVC license is not available anymore since those
>>people testing out builds at the University of Westminster 
>>don't work there
>>On the other hand, how many replies were there to a 
>>notification of a _bug_
>>(a serious security hole -IMO) I found on OS/X? Zero, not even 
>>a (as I said)
>>"since you have OS/X can you volunteer to fix it", or "since I 
>>don't have
>>OSX I don't care about it"... none, nada, nihil, nothing...
> I didn't have OS/X, and you know how I'll be happy to have one,
> so couldn't do anything to fix. 
>>Now I'm wondering... What would have happened if I reported 
>>the same bug for
>>Tomcat 3.3? :) :) :) :)
> Same problem that in 4.x and related question :
> - how many tomcat 3.3 developpers have access to OS/X ?
> - how many tomcat 4.x developpers have access to OS/X ?
> if the bug is a security problem, at least on one platform,
> it should be fixed and since you have access to such platform
> you may provide the fix. 
> There was fix for windows platform not so long from that
> but it's clear that OS/X and AS/400 have a common problem
> today, less users/developpers than Unix or Windows....
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