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From Arun Katkere <katk...@praja.com>
Subject RE: Sources in Binary Distributions
Date Thu, 02 Aug 2001 18:36:04 GMT
OK, Rob, you are the voice of the majority (I probably missed a vote on this
topic where people told you so) and we are a few lazy developers wanting to
avoid an extra download. Take the source out.

-arun

ps: For what it is worth, my argument was not "leave src in there so that
when I want to look at the source, i don't have to download a src dist" as
you put it, it was that having the Java source available to a debugger is a
legetimate reason to include source in a "binary" distribution (you can
leave it jar'd if you like, as Sun does with Java2 SDK). Let me go back to
lurking and leave the business of posting to those of you who can post the
same argument 10 times without reading what the other person is saying.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rob S. [mailto:rslifka@home.com]
> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 9:39 AM
> To: tomcat-dev@jakarta.apache.org
> Subject: RE: Sources in Binary Distributions
> 
> 
> So what we have here is a minority of developers who look 
> through the Tomcat
> source, versus the majority of people who have no interest in 
> the /src dir.
> The argument is "leave src in there so that when I want to look at the
> source, i don't have to download a src dist".
> 
> For some reason, the "keep it in there" argument almost makes 
> it sounds like
> the src is unavailable unless it's in the bin build.  
> Personally, for all of
> the people that could care less about the source, I don't 
> think it's asking
> much for people who want to look at the source to go and get it...?
> 
> - r
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Loïc Lefèvre [mailto:llefevre@fivia.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 12:10 PM
> > To: tomcat-dev@jakarta.apache.org
> > Subject: RE: Sources in Binary Distributions
> >
> >
> > Absolutely agree with you!
> >
> > -----Message d'origine-----
> > De : Arun Katkere [mailto:katkere@praja.com]
> > Envoyé : jeudi 2 août 2001 17:28
> > À : 'tomcat-dev@jakarta.apache.org'
> > Objet : RE: Sources in Binary Distributions
> >
> >
> > I don't generally throw in my $0.02 into a well worn thread 
> and add to the
> > noise , but there is another issue which I didn't see 
> anyone bring up.
> >
> > Having source around helps you with debugging. And if that
> > results in better
> > bug reports, i.e., instead of "it doesn't work and here is the
> > stack trace",
> > you get "it doesn't work because you didn't check for null around
> > this line
> > of this file", it is probably worth it.   Keep in mind that 
> many of Tomcat
> > users are competent Java developers. And we are not talking about
> > the entire
> > build system here. Just the basic .java files. Not even 
> native components
> > (which don't aid in this purpose). Sun's Java2 SDK includes the
> > source (just
> > the .java files) for I suspect the same reason.
> >
> > Personally, I download the source distribution only when there is
> > a critical
> > issue in Tomcat that we need resolved now, and patch and 
> build with that
> > fix. Source in the binary on the other hand is useful for many
> > reasons even
> > if you discount the "first step towards getting people involved"
> > argument. A
> > quick check of some aspect of servlet/JSP spec(without going
> > through 100s of
> > pages of PDF). Help quickly identify whether the issue is 
> with Tomcat or
> > your code. All on machines where you typically don't have the full
> > development environment set up (when we are talking about 
> JSP and not
> > servlets).
> >
> > Of course, one can always download the "source distribution". So,
> > if you are
> > set on saving folks a few seconds (or minutes) of download time
> > at a slight
> > cost for those of us who do find it invaluable, that's fine.
> >
> > -arun
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rob S. [mailto:rslifka@home.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 4:19 AM
> > > To: tomcat-dev@jakarta.apache.org
> > > Subject: RE: Sources in Binary Distributions
> > >
> > >
> > > > I'd like to second that.  I am currently not involved 
> in any active
> > > > development, but looking at sources contained in a 
> binary dist is
> > > > certainly the first step towards getting involved (its on
> > > my list (o:  )
> > >
> > > So you *expect* the /src dir in a binary dist?  That's
> > > mind-blowing to me.
> > > If you're interested in TC development, your first thought
> > > isn't "Time to go
> > > d/l the src distro" it's "Time to d/l the bin dist so I can
> > > check out the
> > > src" ?
> > >
> > > I'm not making a huge stand here, I thought bringing up the
> > > suggestion was
> > > almost common sense.  It's a "bin" dist, i.e. !(src
> > > included).  I wouldn't
> > > expect it to be there <shrug>
> > >
> > > - r
> > >
> >
> >
> 

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