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From "Jef Newsom" <>
Subject RE: An alternative to JSP
Date Thu, 11 Jan 2001 18:49:45 GMT
I have used Excelon Stylus for creating xsl. Although you do a lot of
stuff by hand, I found it to be useful for wysiwyg development. I only
used it for a short time, so caveat emptor. Too bad it isn't integrated
with Dreamweaver. Also too bad that you have to download their portal
server to get the eval. $199 per license (blech)...
luckily, we're all rich, right?


-----Original Message-----
From: Kyle F. Downey []
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 1:35 PM
To: Paul Libbrecht
Subject: Re: An alternative to JSP

> On Thursday, January 11, 2001, at 06:38 PM, Kyle F. Downey wrote:
> > Our chosen solution is to generate XML and style it with XSL. The
> > thing missing from that picture is a really solid XSL designer
> > with a well-known editor like Dreamweaver. Given that, your
designers can
> How did you solve this trouble then ??

We haven't. We're still writing XSL by hand, along with almost everyone

> Unless such a designer tool is EXTREMELY INTELLIGENT, meaning it makes
> reasoning about the way xml elements are placed on an HTML page, or,
> course, if your xml content is reasonably static (say two dimensional
> like an SQL database result-set) then you have the chance to see such
> tool, otherwise, I don't view this as a possible thing...

I think the solution will look a lot like Allaire Cold Fusion Studio
it comes: a mixture of a solid design tool with a "developer" copy of a
rendering engine (Cold Fusion in Allaire's case; an XML app server in
this case). That way the designer can get immediate feedback on what the
data + view looks like. I agree with you that this is much thornier than
simple HTML design, but I think it can be done.


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