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From "Conor MacNeill" <co...@m64.com>
Subject RE: Ant rant
Date Sun, 12 Nov 2000 21:41:20 GMT
Nick,

Can we see the makefile? Did you get the same file to work on many
platforms? What make did you use (nmake, gmake, ...)?

Conor

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nick Bauman [mailto:nick@cortexity.com]
> Sent: Monday, 13 November 2000 8:05
> To: tomcat-dev@jakarta.apache.org
> Subject: Ant rant
>
>
> Question: WHAT THE HECK IS ANT?
>
> Now I know what ant is, I'm just hyperbolizing. But...
>
> It's just that I got the entire Tomcat 3.1 tree to compile
> with a single
> Makefile in around 10 minutes. I can't figure out what Ant is
> helping this
> project with. Maybe I'm just stupid or something but this Ant thing
> doesn't really impress me very much. Make is very stable, very cross
> platform; I just don't see what's so cool about ant.
>
> Why is ant better than Make?
>
> And don't say "ant is cross platform, make is not" because
> that just isn't
> true. Was someone just bored with the wheel and wanted to reinvent it?
>
> I just want to understand.
>
> Thanks.
>
> -Nick
>
> On Fri, 3 Nov 2000, Pier P. Fumagalli wrote:
>
> > Question: WHAT THE HACK IS TOMCAT 3.3 ???
> >
> > I believe that this developer community once agreed that Tomcat 4.0
> > _will_be_ the next major release of the Apache Software
> Foundation servlet
> > engine, but, since a couple of weeks, I see a proliferation
> of emails
> > talking about Tomcat 3.3.
> >
> > Here is where I'm getting confused... When did we vote
> about having a dual
> > codebase for two different servlet engines at the same
> time??? Because I've
> > never seen such a discussion taking place...
> >
> > Also, it seems ridiculous (at least to me) to start talking
> about what will
> > be the next release of the 3.x tree (3.3) when 3.2 is not
> yet out of the
> > door, and as far as I've read (but I might have missed some
> emails) Beta-6
> > is not even compiling...
> >
> > Sorry, but as a long time ASF member, and one of the first
> kids involved in
> > the glorious JServ, I feel that things here are getting a
> little bit screwed
> > up. Are we going to screw our release cycles? Are we going
> out to the public
> > with TWO servlet engines equal in features, but different
> in codebases? Are
> > we all going NUTS?
> >
> > Sorry again, but this time I have to vote -1 on a "new" Tomcat 3.3,
> > expecially before 3.2 final is out of the door. The NEXT
> major release is
> > going to be Tomcat 4.0, based on Catalina, as we all agreed
> on months ago.
> >
> > But, I'm not _only_ a pain in the ass... I see there are
> some developers who
> > prefer to work on the 3.x tree, rather than helping out on
> the 4.0, so,
> > instead of cutting their wings and forcing them to fork the
> project, I
> > propose to them what was proposed to Craig in february.
> >
> > The "Rules for Evolution and Revolutions" still stands
> still, as one of the
> > major constitution documents for this community (James, WTF, post it
> > somewhere!!! :) and IMNSHO needs to be used...
> >
> > I suggest to whoever is interested in further developement
> of the 3.3 tree
> > to create a new proposal, as Craig did with Catalina, and
> stick it on the
> > "proposals" directory in the CVS. And start working from
> it. I'm more than
> > open to see, after Tomcat 4.0 sees light, to reconsider the
> effort, and
> > maybe switching codebase again for what will be Tomcat 5.0.
> >
> > So, I'm proposing this plan, and please vote on 2 and 4 (1
> and 3 were
> > already voted upon with a bunch of +1s)...
> >
> > 1) Release Tomcat 3.2 final (soon, please!)
> > 2) Create a new proposal tree alongside with Catalina (new
> name to avoid
> >    confusion, please)
> > 3) Release Tomcat 4.0 (with Catalina, as we all decided)
> > 4) Decide wether Tomcat 5.0 will be Catalina based or "whatever" new
> >    proposal comes along.
> >
> > My 0.02 $... Take care...
> >
> >     Pier
> >
> >
> >
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>
> --
> Nicolaus Bauman
> Software Engineer
> Simplexity Systems
>
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