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From Aaron Mulder <>
Subject Re: [jBoss-Dev] Re: jboss on tomcat update
Date Mon, 30 Oct 2000 14:56:39 GMT
On Mon, 30 Oct 2000, Rickard [iso-8859-1] Öberg wrote:
> Dear all,
> I've read through the GPL license, and I'm not a legal expert but from
> what I can see paragraph 2b is a killer. For example, I cannot see how
> XO3 can redistribute jBoss with Tomcat and reasonably call it "mere
> aggregation" (i.e. our JMX integration is not "mere aggregation", it is
> much more than that), thus OpenJoda needs to "be licensed as a whole at
> no charge to all third parties under the terms of this License." Which
> breaks Tomcat's license, so it's out of the question.
> After listening to Marc's and all others arguments back and forth I have
> the following thoughts (right or wrong, here they are):
> * GPL paragraph 2b is a killer, and I cannot see how we can
> bundle/integrate Tomcat without having to apply GPL to the whole
> shebang. Sorry Marc, I just don't see it. The clause does not say "mere
> aggregation in a Program" (which is what we do). It says "mere
> aggregation of another work not based on the Program with the Program
> (or with a work based on the Program) on a volume of a storage or
> distribution medium", which is a completely different thing, closer to
> Oles reference to RedHat CD's (BTW, yes I know I'm violating GPL
> copyright by quoting it. So sue me)
> * *Regardless* of whether we can do this or not, we can't "win". I don't
> really care how *we* interpret GPL, and from what it seems our
> interpretation is the loosest ever. It will do two things: 
> 1) GPL hardcores will, pretty much, hate jBoss. Slashdot, here we come..
> 2) "Suits" will stay away from jBoss ANYWAY, because it uses GPL. "So,
> we can use it? Nah, my left foot says no, so that's it. I'm going with
> OpenEJB. BSD gives me a fuzzy feeling". I don't care if it's rational or
> not; there you have it. 
> To me the solution seems clear. IMHO jBoss is not a "baby" anymore. We
> do not have anything to gain by doing a crusade with GPL. We may not be
> exactly where we want just yet (i.e. Project Game Over is not done), but
> we sure are "enough" along the way to getting there. I may be wrong, but
> that's my gut feeling anyway :-) 
> So, for it to grow to the heights we want it if changing the license to
> APL or MPL or BSD, or whatever makes sense (just not GPL), is what it
> takes, then that's the way to go. IMHO of course.

	Amen.  I agree 100%.


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