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From "Andy Riedel" <a...@hearme.com>
Subject Re: [Catalina] Factoring to support non-HTTP servlets and protocols
Date Sat, 15 Apr 2000 21:14:22 GMT
Brill,

Can you elaborate on the difficulties you encountered? I've perused the
generic portions of the API and they seem sufficiently abstracted. Were
there particular methods or features that blocked you or was it the
implementation of the servlet engine?

Andy

----- Original Message -----
From: "Eduardo Pelegri--Llopart" <Eduardo.Pelegrillopart@eng.sun.com>
To: <tomcat-dev@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2000 8:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Catalina] Factoring to support non-HTTP servlets and protocols


>
> > So, do you guys actually have the ability to change the API?
>
> As context, "we" is Danny (Coward, the Servlet spec lead) and myself
> (JSP spec lead), both for JSR-053.
>
> Backward compatibility is a big deal (or should be) for Sun and the
> market, so we cannot do incompatible changes, but the expert group
> JSR053 can change the API.  Danny and I have talked about trying to
> figure out what we would ideally like the situation to be and then seing
> how close we could get to that given the compatibility issues.
>
> All specifications suffer as the market changes, but Servlet has had
> more than its share in part because it went through quite a number of
> hands and was not always staffed as much as it should.  Things started
> to turn when we started the J2EE effort, and for the last year we have
> been moving in the right direction but there is a fair amount of
> accumulated stuff.
>
> If you have specific suggestions, you can send them to danny, me, or
> both at jsr-053-leads@eng.sun.com
>
> thanks!
> - eduard/o
>
>
> Brill Pappin wrote:
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Eduardo Pelegri--Llopart
> > > [mailto:Eduardo.Pelegrillopart@eng.sun.com]
> > > Sent: April 15, 2000 1:02 AM
> > > To: tomcat-dev@jakarta.apache.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Catalina] Factoring to support non-HTTP servlets and
> > > protocols
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > > Seriously, the whole Servlet & HttpServlet is a mess;  I welcome
> > > explorations on how things can be extended but we are all trying to
> > > figure the path through this so caveat emptor.  Hopefully we will
> > > understand this better by the end of 2.3.
> >
> > Yes it is... I was saying a while back on this list how it was difficult
to
> > work with because the "generic" portion of the API was still very
attached
> > the HTTP concept... despite there being an http sub package. At the time
I
> > was writing a "Relay" daemon... but abandoned servlets because it was
much
> > faster to just code it then try to adapt the Servlet API. I think the
> > servlet API is great, but someone didn't think about what it *was* when
they
> > started putting HTTP specific portions in the base package.
> >
> > So, do you guys actually have the ability to change the API?
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > - Brill Pappin
> >
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