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From Assaf Arkin <ar...@exoffice.com>
Subject Re: Any interest in comments on the servlet 2.2 API?
Date Wed, 12 Jan 2000 20:36:28 GMT
Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart wrote:
> 
> See intermixed...
> 
> Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
> >
> > Assaf Arkin wrote:
> > >
> > > Was there any discussion regarding producing results through the SAX API
> > > instead of directly printing to the writer?
> 
> A number of people have suggested things in this space in different
> public and private conversations.  But I think the most concrete ideas
> I've seen posted were in the cocoon space.  I am not tracking very well
> some forums like xml-dev, though.

Cocoon was implied. No need to spell it out :-)

arkin


> 
> > Don't worry, the part of "XML pain in the ass" dude in the servlet.next
> > play is already taken by me :)
> 
> Sure thing, that is what I expect you to do.  And you won't be the only
> one :-)
> 
> > You guys (expecially Eduardo) have been warned.
> >
> > Arkin, I'll try hard to make all the XSP issues incorporated into JSP. I
> > don't really care if I loose control on the spec, the name or those
> > stuff, but I won't give up until all the XML-related problems are
> > solved.
> >
> > Hard, I know. Will probably create a lot of "back-incompatibility
> > friction", but I promise to take my diplomacy skill out of my closet :)
> >
> > And, also, I'm pushing Sun to change a little the JCP so that it's
> > splitted into three things:
> >
> > 1) a "people house" -> a public mail list (open to everyone)
> > 2) a "company house" -> a company mail list (closed)
> > 3) a "government" -> a mail list composed by 20 people, x from the
> > people, 20-x from the companies. And one elected spec governor.
> 
> I'm all for having feedback from as many sources as possible.
> 
> I am a bit more slow/cautious/whatever than some of you, so it may take
> me a bit longer to post specific suggestions for things like "how to run
> the process".  But I hear you, and you can always send me mail, and I
> will try to reply to it prompty (yes, I still owe a reply to Sam -
> sorry!).
> 
> The big picture I have is one of several forums feeding requirements,
> ideas, comments into an expert group that can, with some regularity,
> generate documents to the forums for further feedback.  Specific forums
> that are interesting include open-source forums based on tomcat, cocoon,
> turbine, as well as vendor-specific forums in this space (some of these
> vendors are also using Open Source licenses).
> 
> I am planning to put some ideas together in the near future and run them
> by key people inside and outside of Sun and then send a suggestion (not
> final!) to this forum.  Don't expect proposals (from me) that are not
> compatible with the JCP.  The spec lead has a fair amount of flexibility
> in how to run the process, so I think that most concerns can be
> accomodated, but things like "elected spec governor" are not part of
> this flexibility.  Sorry, but I want to spend my cycles in things I can
> affect effectively, and changing the basic parameters of JCP is not one
> of them.
> 
> Note that we are very early in the JCP process, the JSR I sent around
> tomcat-dev is not even a formal public document.  To be fair to all the
> people in the Java platform we need to give them time to respond, and
> some of them react a bit slower than your typical tomcat-dev
> participant.  But, given time constraints, we will have to do some
> things in parallel.
> 
> Back to Stefano's 1-2-3 list, I am don't understand why 2) and 3) are
> separate. I have always had representatives of big companies, small
> companies, and plain lone individuals in my expert groups; as long as
> they are good team players and have good ideas, they are all welcome,
> appreciated, and influential.
> 
>         - eduard/o
> 
> > This way, we get better public coverage and a better specification
> > process.
> >
> > --
> > Stefano Mazzocchi      One must still have chaos in oneself to be
> >                           able to give birth to a dancing star.
> > <stefano@apache.org>                             Friedrich Nietzsche
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