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From Madison Myers <madisonjmy...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Building a community around SystemML
Date Tue, 04 Oct 2016 19:09:31 GMT
+1 for creating JIRA's with labels 'starter' and 'Hacktoberfest'! Sounds
great.

On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 10:39 AM, Niketan Pansare <npansar@us.ibm.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I got following response from Andrew Starr-Bochicchio (community manager,
> DigitalOcean) regarding my request to include Apache projects in
> Hacktoberfest.
>
> >> As long a the pull request happens on GitHub, it will count towards
> Hacktoberfest. In fact, Libcloud is both an Apache project and one of the
> featured projects on the Hacktoberfest site. The "hacktoberfest" label is
> just being used to help direct new contributors to where the help is most
> needed.
> >> We've seen some of the projects that have used Hacktoberfest most
> successfully, use it as a carrot for people already around the peripheries
> of their own communities. It provides a bit of a push for people that need
> it. So I'd definitely encourage you to share Jira issues you've labeled out
> to your wider user community.
>
> Apache PMC members: I encourage you all to create JIRAs with the labels
> 'starter' and 'Hacktoberfest' :)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Niketan Pansare
> IBM Almaden Research Center
> E-mail: npansar At us.ibm.com
> http://researcher.watson.ibm.com/researcher/view.php?person=us-npansar
>
> [image: Inactive hide details for Shagun Sodhani ---09/29/2016 08:57:27
> AM---Great. Hopefully, I would also start to contribute to Syst]Shagun
> Sodhani ---09/29/2016 08:57:27 AM---Great. Hopefully, I would also start to
> contribute to SystemML :) Thanks,
>
> From: Shagun Sodhani <sshagunsodhani@gmail.com>
> To: dev@systemml.incubator.apache.org
> Date: 09/29/2016 08:57 AM
> Subject: Re: Building a community around SystemML
> Sent by: sshagun.sodhani@gmail.com
> ------------------------------
>
>
>
> Great. Hopefully, I would also start to contribute to SystemML :)
>
> Thanks,
> Shagun
> https://twitter.com/shagunsodhani
>
> On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 9:24 PM, Glenn Weidner <gweidner@us.ibm.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Good catch Shagun! I've added the label Hacktoberfest since that's what's
> > shown at https://hacktoberfest.digitalocean.com/.
> > The next step would be to apply that label to appropriate existing/new
> > JIRAs.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Glenn
> >
> >
> > [image: Inactive hide details for Shagun Sodhani ---09/29/2016 08:28:47
> > AM---I think the label has to be 'hacktoberfest' to be easily s]Shagun
> > Sodhani ---09/29/2016 08:28:47 AM---I think the label has to be
> > 'hacktoberfest' to be easily searchable for people participating in Hack
> >
> > From: Shagun Sodhani <sshagunsodhani@gmail.com>
> > To: dev@systemml.incubator.apache.org
> > Date: 09/29/2016 08:28 AM
> > Subject: Re: Building a community around SystemML
> > Sent by: sshagun.sodhani@gmail.com
> > ------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
> > I think the label has to be 'hacktoberfest' to be easily searchable for
> > people participating in Hacktoberfest as there is a link pointing to such
> > issues on the homepage.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Shagun
> > https://twitter.com/shagunsodhani
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 8:54 PM, Glenn Weidner <gweidner@us.ibm.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I think we can just use 'starter' label which was available from
> > drop-down
> > > list of labels.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Glenn
> > >
> > > [image: Inactive hide details for Niketan Pansare---09/29/2016 07:22:07
> > > AM---+1 for marking some easy non-blocking issues for the parti]Niketan
> > > Pansare---09/29/2016 07:22:07 AM---+1 for marking some easy
> non-blocking
> > > issues for the participants of Hacktoberfest. What is the best
> > >
> > > From: Niketan Pansare/Almaden/IBM@IBMUS
> > > To: dev@systemml.incubator.apache.org
> > > Date: 09/29/2016 07:22 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Building a community around SystemML
> > > ------------------------------
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > +1 for marking some easy non-blocking issues for the participants of
> > > Hacktoberfest. What is the best way to go about it ? Should we create a
> > > special label on JIRA server for such tasks?
> > >
> > > > On Sep 29, 2016, at 6:20 AM, Shagun Sodhani <
> sshagunsodhani@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > +1 for improving documentation (to make it easier to get started) and
> > for
> > > > promoting SystemML even more. We can also leverage events like
> > > > Hacktoberfest (
> > https://hacktoberfest.digitalocean.com/) and mark some
> >
> > > easy
> > > > issues for people to start with.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Shagun
> > > >
> > https://twitter.com/shagunsodhani
> >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 6:36 AM, Madison Myers <
> > madisonjmyers@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Thanks for opening up this dialogue Felix & Luciano!
> > > >>
> > > >> It only just came to my attention that discussions about the website
> > and
> > > >> reaching out to the community were taking place here, so apologies
> for
> > > not
> > > >> chiming in earlier. I have a few comments on the website and on the
> > > topic
> > > >> of community outreach:
> > > >>
> > > >> I have actually been actively working with the design team to try
> and
> > > >> reorganize the content and documentation for the Apache SystemML
> > website
> > > >> since first initiating the website renewal. Since the first phase
of
> > the
> > > >> website has completed, we have prioritized reorganization and proper
> > > >> documentation. To further this aim, I am also rewriting tutorials
so
> > > that
> > > >> they can be better understood by new users and will include my 10+
> > blogs
> > > >> that I have written on the Spark.tc website for SystemML. We also
> > > >> definitely want to have a link to those videos- so thanks so much
> for
> > > >> attaching them, Niketan! If you all have any other ideas or have
> > written
> > > >> tutorials/blogs/etc. on SystemML please let me know or send them my
> > way.
> > > >>
> > > >> Additionally, Luciano mentioned that he was trying to find two key
> > > personas
> > > >> for the SystemML website. Looking at the results from the SystemML
> > > survey I
> > > >> sent out a few weeks ago, it is clear that an overwhelming majority
> of
> > > >> people voted for Data Scientist- new and Data Scientist- advanced.
> > > Input on
> > > >> if you agree on these results would be helpful.
> > > >>
> > > >> As for reaching out to the community, this is an aspect I am
> actively
> > > >> trying to work on. Mike and I will be speaking at UC Berkeley about
> > our
> > > >> SystemML use case, and I have also been trying to promote it on
> social
> > > >> media. I think clearer documentation will greatly help new users
> adopt
> > > >> SystemML, so I am in full support of that focus! If you all have
> other
> > > >> ideas or see room for improvement in this domain, please let me know
> > if
> > > I
> > > >> can help.
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks again!
> > > >> Madison
> > > >>
> > > >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM, Niketan Pansare <
> npansar@us.ibm.com>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> Thanks Luciano and Felix for starting this discussion.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> +1 for versioned documentation.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Regarding understanding the SystemML internals, following things
> > would
> > > >>> help:
> > > >>> 1. I believe we have done a good job to separate the components
> into
> > > >>> different package as well as modularize the compilation process
in
> > > >> separate
> > > >>> layers. Though the components/layers are well-explained in our
> > papers,
> > > it
> > > >>> might be a good idea to create design document as suggested by
> Felix.
> > > >> This
> > > >>> design document should explain different component and also the
> > > >> interface.
> > > >>> May be putting the design into javadoc with links/references and
> then
> > > >>> hosting the docs might be a good idea too. This will help in
> > reviewing
> > > >> the
> > > >>> PR itself as the code and docs are in the same file.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> 2. We can showcase following videos on https://apache.github.io/
> > > >>> incubator-systemml/contributing-to-systemml:
> > > >>> - SystemML classes (example: https://www.youtube.com/
> playlist?list=
> > > >>> PL9U7gw7DOIGhdiKZkMAqNPIDywFMlzCaY)
> > > >>> - Meetups (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkYqjWL1xzk&index=13&
> > > >>> list=PL9U7gw7DOIGiT4yi2uw_Mk3TbBEDc_qKq and
> > > >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?
> > > >>> v=hJfubEYDiQ8 and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VpiJK8Jydw)
> > > >>> - Code walkthrough videos (example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?
> > > >>> v=2dnIKY1iVCI and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niz1VLrrucQ
...
> > very
> > > >>> old videos ... would recommend creating new ones instead).
> > > >>> - Demos.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Thanks,
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Niketan Pansare
> > > >>> IBM Almaden Research Center
> > > >>> E-mail: npansar At us.ibm.com
> > > >>> http://researcher.watson.ibm.com/researcher/view.php?
> > person=us-npansar
> > > >>>
> > > >>> [image: Inactive hide details for fschueler---09/28/2016 03:50:48
> > > PM---I
> > > >>> think those are excellent ideas! Especially the point about
> > > >> c]fschueler---09/28/2016
> > > >>> 03:50:48 PM---I think those are excellent ideas! Especially the
> point
> > > >> about
> > > >>> communicating on the mailing-list.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> From: fschueler@posteo.de
> > > >>> To: dev@systemml.incubator.apache.org
> > > >>> Date: 09/28/2016 03:50 PM
> > > >>> Subject: Re: Building a community around SystemML
> > > >>> ------------------------------
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I think those are excellent ideas! Especially the point about
> > > >>> communicating on the mailing-list.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Google summer of code is a great way of getting people involved
> with
> > > the
> > > >>> project long-term and we should think about possible projects.
> > > >>> Application for mentoring organizations usually starts in
> February. I
> > > >>> would be open to help planning this.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> For the personas and documentation I agree. Good documentation
> should
> > > be
> > > >>> a priority and something like a "Quickstart" should be the first
> goto
> > > >>> for many people that want to try SystemML. Apart from that, the
> > current
> > > >>> documentation is in a somewhat unstable state since it mixes
> > > >>> documentation for different releases, APIs, languages, etc.
> > > >>> Maybe we could aim for a versioned documentation that is part
of a
> > > >>> release and can be easily related to the corresponding release.
It
> > > >>> should be easy for users to find the docs that correspond to the
> > > version
> > > >>> of SystemML that they're using (similar to Spark's documentation
> link
> > > on
> > > >>> spark.apache.org). Making documentation part of a PR that affects
> > user
> > > >>> APIs might be a good idea.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Regarding the Jiras, I think it's important to include enough
> > > >>> information in their description. Similarly, it might be helpful
> for
> > > new
> > > >>> contributors to have an overview of SystemML internals that don't
> > > >>> require them to read all related papers. When we investigated
> > SystemML
> > > >>> internals for the Flink and DSL implementation, it took us a long
> > time
> > > >>> to understand the places in the code that we had to touch before
we
> > > >>> could get started. In the course of this I started writing down
a
> few
> > > >>> things in a google doc
> > > >>> (https://docs.google.com/document/d/139lRYxrD-j1k1Fh7X4jVkMZypbqS_
> > > >>> 8ZskN3PiZgjKVE/edit#heading=h.q6w9j5yjre8y).
> > > >>> It might make sense to extend that to give users a high-level
but
> > > >>> detailed enough overview of SystemML that lets them understand
what
> > the
> > > >>> components are and how they interact. This might help people to
> > figure
> > > >>> out what they would want to work on, too.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Felix
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Am 28.09.2016 21:32 schrieb Luciano Resende:
> > > >>>> One of the remaining things that SystemML needs to do in order
to
> > > >>>> graduate
> > > >>>> is to build a better community around the project.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Some ideas are:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> - Be more open with mailing lists discussions particularly
with
> high
> > > >>>> level
> > > >>>> designs that sometimes just get buried in PRs.
> > > >>>> - Identify and participate on projects where more experienced
> > > community
> > > >>>> members would mentor students or others interested in
> > > >>>> participating/contributing to the project (e.g. GSoC)
> > > >>>> - Identify top two main personas that would be interested
in the
> > > >>>> project,
> > > >>>> and bring up visibility on documentation based on these personas
> to
> > > >>>> make
> > > >>>> their first experience with the project very smooth and without
> much
> > > >>>> problems.
> > > >>>> - Create simple JIRAs and flag them for initial contributors
(e.g.
> > > >>>> documentation, simple fix, etc)
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Any other ideas ? And how do we execute this with some priority
to
> > get
> > > >>>> us
> > > >>>> to graduate ?
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >> *Madison J. Myers*
> > > >> *UC Berkeley, Master of Information & Data Science '17*
> > > >>
> > > >> *King's College London, MA Political Science '14*
> > > >> *New York University, BA Political Science '12*
> > > >>
> > > >>   -
> > > >>      LinkedIn <http://linkedin.com/in/madisonjmyers>
> > > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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-- 
*Madison J. Myers*
*UC Berkeley, Master of Information & Data Science '17*

*King's College London, MA Political Science '14*
*New York University, BA Political Science '12*

   -
      LinkedIn <http://linkedin.com/in/madisonjmyers>

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