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From: Shagun Sodhani <sshagunsodhani@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 21:26:52 +0530
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Subject: Re: Building a community around SystemML
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Great. Hopefully, I would also start to contribute to SystemML :)

Thanks,
Shagun
https://twitter.com/shagunsodhani

On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 9:24 PM, Glenn Weidner <gweidner@us.ibm.com> wrote:

> Good catch Shagun! I've added the label Hacktoberfest since that's what's
> shown at https://hacktoberfest.digitalocean.com/.
> The next step would be to apply that label to appropriate existing/new
> JIRAs.
>
> Thanks,
> Glenn
>
>
> [image: Inactive hide details for Shagun Sodhani ---09/29/2016 08:28:47
> AM---I think the label has to be 'hacktoberfest' to be easily s]Shagun
> Sodhani ---09/29/2016 08:28:47 AM---I think the label has to be
> 'hacktoberfest' to be easily searchable for people participating in Hack
>
> From: Shagun Sodhani <sshagunsodhani@gmail.com>
> To: dev@systemml.incubator.apache.org
> Date: 09/29/2016 08:28 AM
> Subject: Re: Building a community around SystemML
> Sent by: sshagun.sodhani@gmail.com
> ------------------------------
>
>
>
> I think the label has to be 'hacktoberfest' to be easily searchable for
> people participating in Hacktoberfest as there is a link pointing to such
> issues on the homepage.
>
> Thanks,
> Shagun
> https://twitter.com/shagunsodhani
>
> On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 8:54 PM, Glenn Weidner <gweidner@us.ibm.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I think we can just use 'starter' label which was available from
> drop-down
> > list of labels.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Glenn
> >
> > [image: Inactive hide details for Niketan Pansare---09/29/2016 07:22:07
> > AM---+1 for marking some easy non-blocking issues for the parti]Niketan
> > Pansare---09/29/2016 07:22:07 AM---+1 for marking some easy non-blocking
> > issues for the participants of Hacktoberfest. What is the best
> >
> > From: Niketan Pansare/Almaden/IBM@IBMUS
> > To: dev@systemml.incubator.apache.org
> > Date: 09/29/2016 07:22 AM
> > Subject: Re: Building a community around SystemML
> > ------------------------------
>
> >
> >
> >
> > +1 for marking some easy non-blocking issues for the participants of
> > Hacktoberfest. What is the best way to go about it ? Should we create a
> > special label on JIRA server for such tasks?
> >
> > > On Sep 29, 2016, at 6:20 AM, Shagun Sodhani <sshagunsodhani@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > +1 for improving documentation (to make it easier to get started) and
> for
> > > promoting SystemML even more. We can also leverage events like
> > > Hacktoberfest (
> https://hacktoberfest.digitalocean.com/) and mark some
>
> > easy
> > > issues for people to start with.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Shagun
> > >
> https://twitter.com/shagunsodhani
>
> > >
> > > On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 6:36 AM, Madison Myers <
> madisonjmyers@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Thanks for opening up this dialogue Felix & Luciano!
> > >>
> > >> It only just came to my attention that discussions about the website
> and
> > >> reaching out to the community were taking place here, so apologies for
> > not
> > >> chiming in earlier. I have a few comments on the website and on the
> > topic
> > >> of community outreach:
> > >>
> > >> I have actually been actively working with the design team to try and
> > >> reorganize the content and documentation for the Apache SystemML
> website
> > >> since first initiating the website renewal. Since the first phase of
> the
> > >> website has completed, we have prioritized reorganization and proper
> > >> documentation. To further this aim, I am also rewriting tutorials so
> > that
> > >> they can be better understood by new users and will include my 10+
> blogs
> > >> that I have written on the Spark.tc website for SystemML. We also
> > >> definitely want to have a link to those videos- so thanks so much for
> > >> attaching them, Niketan! If you all have any other ideas or have
> written
> > >> tutorials/blogs/etc. on SystemML please let me know or send them my
> way.
> > >>
> > >> Additionally, Luciano mentioned that he was trying to find two key
> > personas
> > >> for the SystemML website. Looking at the results from the SystemML
> > survey I
> > >> sent out a few weeks ago, it is clear that an overwhelming majority of
> > >> people voted for Data Scientist- new and Data Scientist- advanced.
> > Input on
> > >> if you agree on these results would be helpful.
> > >>
> > >> As for reaching out to the community, this is an aspect I am actively
> > >> trying to work on. Mike and I will be speaking at UC Berkeley about
> our
> > >> SystemML use case, and I have also been trying to promote it on social
> > >> media. I think clearer documentation will greatly help new users adopt
> > >> SystemML, so I am in full support of that focus! If you all have other
> > >> ideas or see room for improvement in this domain, please let me know
> if
> > I
> > >> can help.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks again!
> > >> Madison
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 5:16 PM, Niketan Pansare <npansar@us.ibm.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Thanks Luciano and Felix for starting this discussion.
> > >>>
> > >>> +1 for versioned documentation.
> > >>>
> > >>> Regarding understanding the SystemML internals, following things
> would
> > >>> help:
> > >>> 1. I believe we have done a good job to separate the components into
> > >>> different package as well as modularize the compilation process in
> > >> separate
> > >>> layers. Though the components/layers are well-explained in our
> papers,
> > it
> > >>> might be a good idea to create design document as suggested by Felix.
> > >> This
> > >>> design document should explain different component and also the
> > >> interface.
> > >>> May be putting the design into javadoc with links/references and then
> > >>> hosting the docs might be a good idea too. This will help in
> reviewing
> > >> the
> > >>> PR itself as the code and docs are in the same file.
> > >>>
> > >>> 2. We can showcase following videos on https://apache.github.io/
> > >>> incubator-systemml/contributing-to-systemml:
> > >>> - SystemML classes (example: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=
> > >>> PL9U7gw7DOIGhdiKZkMAqNPIDywFMlzCaY)
> > >>> - Meetups (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkYqjWL1xzk&index=13&
> > >>> list=PL9U7gw7DOIGiT4yi2uw_Mk3TbBEDc_qKq and
> > >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?
> > >>> v=hJfubEYDiQ8 and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VpiJK8Jydw)
> > >>> - Code walkthrough videos (example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?
> > >>> v=2dnIKY1iVCI and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niz1VLrrucQ ...
> very
> > >>> old videos ... would recommend creating new ones instead).
> > >>> - Demos.
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks,
> > >>>
> > >>> Niketan Pansare
> > >>> IBM Almaden Research Center
> > >>> E-mail: npansar At us.ibm.com
> > >>> http://researcher.watson.ibm.com/researcher/view.php?
> person=us-npansar
> > >>>
> > >>> [image: Inactive hide details for fschueler---09/28/2016 03:50:48
> > PM---I
> > >>> think those are excellent ideas! Especially the point about
> > >> c]fschueler---09/28/2016
> > >>> 03:50:48 PM---I think those are excellent ideas! Especially the point
> > >> about
> > >>> communicating on the mailing-list.
> > >>>
> > >>> From: fschueler@posteo.de
> > >>> To: dev@systemml.incubator.apache.org
> > >>> Date: 09/28/2016 03:50 PM
> > >>> Subject: Re: Building a community around SystemML
> > >>> ------------------------------
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> I think those are excellent ideas! Especially the point about
> > >>> communicating on the mailing-list.
> > >>>
> > >>> Google summer of code is a great way of getting people involved with
> > the
> > >>> project long-term and we should think about possible projects.
> > >>> Application for mentoring organizations usually starts in February. I
> > >>> would be open to help planning this.
> > >>>
> > >>> For the personas and documentation I agree. Good documentation should
> > be
> > >>> a priority and something like a "Quickstart" should be the first goto
> > >>> for many people that want to try SystemML. Apart from that, the
> current
> > >>> documentation is in a somewhat unstable state since it mixes
> > >>> documentation for different releases, APIs, languages, etc.
> > >>> Maybe we could aim for a versioned documentation that is part of a
> > >>> release and can be easily related to the corresponding release. It
> > >>> should be easy for users to find the docs that correspond to the
> > version
> > >>> of SystemML that they're using (similar to Spark's documentation link
> > on
> > >>> spark.apache.org). Making documentation part of a PR that affects
> user
> > >>> APIs might be a good idea.
> > >>>
> > >>> Regarding the Jiras, I think it's important to include enough
> > >>> information in their description. Similarly, it might be helpful for
> > new
> > >>> contributors to have an overview of SystemML internals that don't
> > >>> require them to read all related papers. When we investigated
> SystemML
> > >>> internals for the Flink and DSL implementation, it took us a long
> time
> > >>> to understand the places in the code that we had to touch before we
> > >>> could get started. In the course of this I started writing down a few
> > >>> things in a google doc
> > >>> (https://docs.google.com/document/d/139lRYxrD-j1k1Fh7X4jVkMZypbqS_
> > >>> 8ZskN3PiZgjKVE/edit#heading=h.q6w9j5yjre8y).
> > >>> It might make sense to extend that to give users a high-level but
> > >>> detailed enough overview of SystemML that lets them understand what
> the
> > >>> components are and how they interact. This might help people to
> figure
> > >>> out what they would want to work on, too.
> > >>>
> > >>> Felix
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Am 28.09.2016 21:32 schrieb Luciano Resende:
> > >>>> One of the remaining things that SystemML needs to do in order to
> > >>>> graduate
> > >>>> is to build a better community around the project.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Some ideas are:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> - Be more open with mailing lists discussions particularly with high
> > >>>> level
> > >>>> designs that sometimes just get buried in PRs.
> > >>>> - Identify and participate on projects where more experienced
> > community
> > >>>> members would mentor students or others interested in
> > >>>> participating/contributing to the project (e.g. GSoC)
> > >>>> - Identify top two main personas that would be interested in the
> > >>>> project,
> > >>>> and bring up visibility on documentation based on these personas to
> > >>>> make
> > >>>> their first experience with the project very smooth and without much
> > >>>> problems.
> > >>>> - Create simple JIRAs and flag them for initial contributors (e.g.
> > >>>> documentation, simple fix, etc)
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Any other ideas ? And how do we execute this with some priority to
> get
> > >>>> us
> > >>>> to graduate ?
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> *Madison J. Myers*
> > >> *UC Berkeley, Master of Information & Data Science '17*
> > >>
> > >> *King's College London, MA Political Science '14*
> > >> *New York University, BA Political Science '12*
> > >>
> > >>   -
> > >>      LinkedIn <http://linkedin.com/in/madisonjmyers>
> > >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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