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From Branko Čibej <br...@wandisco.com>
Subject Re: Copyright year displayed by command-line tools
Date Fri, 20 Mar 2015 15:32:52 GMT
On 20.03.2015 16:04, Daniel Berlin wrote:
> The ASF doesn't require copyright lines, AFAIK.
>
> To whit: httpd has *none*  in the their repository.
> Here's a random file:
>
> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/httpd/httpd/trunk/server/apreq_module_cgi.c?view=markup
>
> Copyright lines are legally meaningless.
> In fact, you are usually worse often having them, because if you get
> them wrong, it hurts you legally (if you mislead someone into
> infringement through a wrong notice, that's a defense for them) , but
> if you do nothing, it doesn't.

We're talking about two separate things here:

  * The contents of the NOTICE file; the ASF does, per current policy,
    require a copyright line there which includes the year.
  * The output of 'svn --version', 'svnadmin --version', etc, which has
    contained a copyright line for ages.

We don't have copyright lines in file headers.

I wouldn't mind removing the line from the version output; but as long
as we have it, it should IMO be the equivalent to what we (must) have in
NOTICE.

-- Brane



> (I'm assuming you aren't distributing copies of subversion from before
> 1988 here :P )

Thankfully, no. :)

-- Brane

> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 3:47 AM, Greg Stein <gstein@gmail.com
> <mailto:gstein@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Let me expand on that a bit ... let's not hold any releases for
>     this, but let's talk to Danny and other peeps at the ASF. I
>     believe we can clear out a few lines. Pointing to subversion.a.o
>     is nice. We should be able to scorch the other 3 lines.
>
>     On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:43 AM, Greg Stein <gstein@gmail.com
>     <mailto:gstein@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>         hehe... I think it is time to kill that off, with extreme
>         prejudice :-D
>
>         On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 5:35 AM, Branko Čibej
>         <brane@wandisco.com <mailto:brane@wandisco.com>> wrote:
>
>             On 20.03.2015 11:07, Greg Stein wrote:
>             > On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:28 AM, Branko Čibej
>             <brane@wandisco.com <mailto:brane@wandisco.com>
>             > <mailto:brane@wandisco.com <mailto:brane@wandisco.com>>>
wrote:
>             > >...
>             >
>             >     IMO, we should either not display the year (which
>             IIUC would
>             >     violate ASF policy), or we should display the
>             correct year.
>             >     Anything else makes us look silly.
>             >
>             >
>             > Hmm? Policy is at:
>             >   http://www.apache.org/legal/src-headers.html
>             >
>             > And that is what I see in a random sampling of our source.
>             >
>             >
>             >
>             >     If I'm wrong about policy, then I propose we just
>             change those
>             >     lines from:
>             >
>             >         Copyright (C) 2014 The Apache Software Foundation.
>             >
>             >
>             > Where are you seeing this?
>
>             Output of 'svn --version', it's in
>             subversion/libsvn_subr/version.c (and
>             was in .../opt.c in 1.7).
>
>             Been that way for decades.
>
>             -- Brane
>
>
>
>


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