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From "Dakota Jack" <>
Subject Re: Some questions
Date Thu, 06 Apr 2006 12:25:25 GMT
There are, however, frameworks whose time has passed and that have no reason
except backwards compatibility to be available.  The right thing to do with
these frameworks is to label them as obsolete so that people will not be
lured into using them when they are a poor choice.  Choices are good.  Not
all choices are good.

On 4/6/06, Ted Husted <> wrote:
> On 4/6/06, Alexandre Poitras <> wrote:
> > BTW, I respect every Open Source projects, they are the reason why the
> > Java world is so great and Tapestry is indeed a good framework.
> Ditto. I think it's very cool that Apache Struts links to several
> alternative products directly from our home page. Besides Tapestry,
> many people might also want to look into Apache Beehive, Apache
> Cocoon, Jakarta Turbine, Spring MVC, and  Wicket. I also hear Stripes
> is quite good. Then do like Mario did, pick a small workflow from your
> project and take the contenders for a test drive. Don't rely on the
> advice of strangers: Try it for yourself. [Yes, being a stranger to
> most folk here, I get the irony of that statement :)]
> One conversation we've had time and again on the Struts Dev list, and
> that I've seen many other people have elsewhere, is that there are no
> "one size fits all" framework solutions. A professional picks the
> right tool for the job. For some jobs, people might not even need a
> framework. Now a days, the stock Java JSTL and JSF implementationss
> are very powerful, and for a smaller application, they might be be all
> anyone needs.
> Of course, this strays from the original question, which was about
> IDEs. Personally, I like IDEA quite a bit. The Tomcat integration is
> excellent, it's easy to start and stop the container without leaving
> the environment, and the console window saves me the bother of pouring
> through the logs. And don't get me started on the JUnit integration :)
> -Ted.
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"You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it float on its back."
~Dakota Jack~

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