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From "Dakota Jack" <>
Subject Re: Some questions
Date Wed, 05 Apr 2006 15:41:56 GMT
You might want to check the date on Java 5 Newton.

On 4/5/06, Dave Newton <> wrote:
> Jonathan Revusky wrote:
> > What happens when you don't do any significant innovation for 4 years?
> > Particularly in a field like java software?
> You mean like the language itself? I mean, seriously... as a SmallTalk
> and Lisp developer I always wonder why people choose to use Java; in
> general I assume they just like to type and have nothing else to do.
> > IMO, it is irresponsible to encourage new people to start off building
> > new projects on top of Struts 1.x. It is obsolete technology and will
> > simply become more obsolete over time.
> So we should skip Java altogether, then, as near as I can tell.
> I'm pretty sure most anything becomes more obsolete over time, although
> it's nice to see other languages finally realizing that Lisp has quite a
> few great features, so Lisp appears to be becoming unobsolete.
> > Again, I think it is just completely irresponsible to encourage people
> > who have no existing investment in Struts 1.x to make such an
> > investment at this point in time, when the thing is not competitive in
> > its space AND all further development is being abandoned.
> I guess that depends on what you mean by "further development," since
> obviously people are, and have been, working on Struts 1.x... that said,
> I wouldn't use it for new development either.
> > Frank, it gets painful to debate this with you or other people.
> So stop. My monk would be amused by you. Only slightly more than he is
> amused by me, but amused nonetheless.
> Personally I'd give a look at the Spring MVC framework, although I've
> gotten quite a bit done with a Spring/Struts combination.
> Dave
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"You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it float on its back."
~Dakota Jack~

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