Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-struts-user-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 65958 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2006 17:08:01 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 22 Mar 2006 17:08:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 35527 invoked by uid 500); 22 Mar 2006 17:07:49 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-struts-user-archive@struts.apache.org Received: (qmail 35499 invoked by uid 500); 22 Mar 2006 17:07:48 -0000 Mailing-List: contact user-help@struts.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: List-Help: List-Post: List-Id: "Struts Users Mailing List" Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List" Delivered-To: mailing list user@struts.apache.org Received: (qmail 35488 invoked by uid 99); 22 Mar 2006 17:07:48 -0000 Received: from asf.osuosl.org (HELO asf.osuosl.org) (140.211.166.49) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 09:07:48 -0800 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (asf.osuosl.org: domain of dakota.jack@gmail.com designates 64.233.162.193 as permitted sender) Received: from [64.233.162.193] (HELO zproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.162.193) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 09:07:47 -0800 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id v1so236396nzb for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 09:07:27 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=oyJe5a5x3JL4aPN5sltGSfGhQtu7INWqKSTCsT7RXN1mIwqt/qz2V0iQiYp86WYopgzlchGt2wjLoenVZ0rZFIJ2/pV2P8UhTKibU0igYA6dMz2nRSaMT/rB+WkR2xRe8vS6+s7jZC05LVaHcTcUMSUcH9HLo72pkXT0o7ks64s= Received: by 10.36.119.18 with SMTP id r18mr1593723nzc; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 09:07:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.36.56.4 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Mar 2006 09:07:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 09:07:24 -0800 From: "Dakota Jack" To: "Struts Users Mailing List" Subject: Re: [FRIDAY] Re: has struts reached the saturation In-Reply-To: <31cc37360603220836l4183a598m3557c9c0705c5785@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_5390_28980772.1143047244648" References: <3e1257da0603180349l36beaaao82139896e7df8810@mail.gmail.com> <20060318182441.46298.qmail@web32602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <3e1257da0603190239u1d232976k17afacccb7bc8483@mail.gmail.com> <425b63690603190846x6a279970gfb8ecd8f1c4e61e9@mail.gmail.com> <425b63690603191940gbcfcaa9ie04de5ba332c35f8@mail.gmail.com> <31cc37360603220836l4183a598m3557c9c0705c5785@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org X-Spam-Rating: minotaur.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N ------=_Part_5390_28980772.1143047244648 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I would like to point out that communities and PMCs in Apache decidedly do NOT have a one-to-one mapping. I would also like to point out that a lot o= f our "community" is migrant workers brought in especially for Shale and having nothing much at all to do with the Struts community. Many of them only had as their credentials work on a foreign soil. On 3/22/06, Henri Yandell wrote: > > On 3/19/06, Dakota Jack wrote: > > I have expressed my "technical concerns" more than once. I have even > had > > Craig agree with them, in a sense. JSF is built for those who are > > technically challenged and for tools. I don't think even Craig thinks > that > > JSF is superior as a product for advanced webwork. Who knows anymore, > > however. Look under my discussions, many of them,. about page based > > controllers and my advocacy of a web-MVC. > > > > Why don't you say just what the major reason is that you chose Shale, > JSF, > > MyFaces, or whatever over Tapestry? Do you think we should have > Tapestry > > under the Struts "umbrella" too. > > Thought I'd pipe up on this one. > > foo.apache.org maps to a PMC, which maps to a coding community, not to > a codebase. > > So: > > If Shale, Struts 1.x and Struts 2.x are being developed by the same > community - then having them under the oversight of the Struts PMC is > a good thing. If the community splits in two or three - then the > question of their being together is a good one. > > Tapestry and MyFaces are not developed by the same community, and > shouldn't be unless the communities show significant overlap. > > It's that simple :) > > Hen > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: user-unsubscribe@struts.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: user-help@struts.apache.org > > -- "You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it float on its back." ~Dakota Jack~ ------=_Part_5390_28980772.1143047244648--