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From "Dakota Jack" <>
Subject Re: The Mytical stagnation
Date Sat, 01 Apr 2006 06:12:44 GMT
Do you think there is any value in letting a situtation which led to the
problem go by without lessons learned, Paul?  Do you think just because the
people who coded the hairball are not talking about it we should just let it
drop and believe that they won't do the same thing with WebWorks?  Is that
what you think?  You do seem to get the fact that there is a real,
unaddressed problem.  I don't think we need you to tell us when we should
stop talking.  If you don't get it, then move on.  Noone is holding your
nose to this grindstone.  I am amazed when people are concerned that others
are addressing an issue.  What is with that?  If you are tired of talking we
should stop?  That is a very odd way to think.

On 3/29/06, Paul Benedict <> wrote:
> This topic has become stale, in my opinion, and I do not understand
> why people continue to participate in it. When people attempt to have
> a successful discussion, there is usually a goal to attain, but I am
> unable to discern what serious goal there is in telling the commiters they
> are, in so many words, lousy, a failure, makers of bad products, the
> fathers of stagnation, betrayers of their foundation, etc. :-)
> Discussions can be alot of fun and productive and bear good fruit,
> but discussions, like fruit, also wither after a season.... and I think
> the season is well underway for all the participants to just accept
> that you've been heard, not everyone will agree, and finger-pointing
> isn't productive. -- Paul
> --- Al Eridani <> wrote:
> > On 3/29/06, Bart Busschots <> wrote:
> > > Right, as I see it this all boils down to Jon whinning that the struts
> > > guys are adopting WebWorks for the basis of struts 2 rather than
> Struts
> > > 1.X.
> >
> > And you see it wrongly. Either you came late into this and could not be
> > bothered to check the archives or your attention span is so short that
> > you have forgotten already.
> >
> > It all started when some Struts committers described their relatively
> closed
> > environment (limiting who could contribute) and Jonathan wondered
> > aloud whether that lack of openness had been a contributing factor to
> > Struts decline.
> >
> > The question was never addressed because, in the inmortal words of one
> > of the defenders of the faith, "the question is invalid".
> >
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"You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it float on its back."
~Dakota Jack~

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