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From "Martin Gainty" <>
Subject Re: [FRIDAY] Re: has struts reached the saturation
Date Sat, 25 Mar 2006 12:27:06 GMT

A multi-threaded enterprise wide solution that is organised according to 
true Model View Controller paradigm is NOT a pile of crap nor is anything 
else you dont understand-
I would strongly suggest you think about all of the hard work and effort 
that the commiters and people on this list put into the product which is 
offered to us lowly developers
basically for free
In the meanwhile I would also strongly suggest you read everything you can 
about Software Architecture and Design so that you will be able to propose 
an alternative
but If you have no alternative then opening your ears and listening to
"how can we make our system more maintainable while accomodating enterpise 
wide needs for our customers"
would be a constructive use of your time

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Raeburn" <>
To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <>
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:33 AM
Subject: Re: [FRIDAY] Re: has struts reached the saturation

>I normally ignore your crap and I'm sorry for prolonging this agony for 
>everyone. This really will be my last word.
> Michael, why do you continue to waste your time on such a "big pile of 
> crap" as Struts? What kind of a fool must you be for using the world's 
> worst web framework, run by a bunch on idiotic dictators? If you really 
> believe that, then you are as big a loser as you appear to be. If you 
> think you can do better, then fine, go do it. But please, quit whining and 
> doing nothing about it. Or do you just enjoy whining?
> Please. Get a life.
> Steve
> p.s. Don't bother addressing any reply to me. You'll just be pissing in 
> the wind.
> Dakota Jack wrote:
>> The fact is that there will not be an explanation for this failure. 
>> While
>> sitting in the biggest pile of crap code one could imagine, they continue 
>> to
>> extoll their virtues as if they were about to be mentioned for an 
>> honorarium
>> in computer history.
>> <snip>
>> On 3/24/06, Jonathan Revusky <> wrote:
>>> Steve Raeburn wrote:
>>>> Bottom line is that this is the way Apache works and it's not going to
>>>> change.
>>> In any case, it is not a subject of legitimate debate at this point that
>>> progress on the Struts framework stagnated. If you guys were doing
>>> everything right, then what is your explanation for that?
>>> Jonathan Revusky
>> </snip>
>> --
>> "You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it float on its back."
>> ~Dakota Jack~
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