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From "Ted Husted" <ted.hus...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Shale vs. Action framework Statistics
Date Mon, 06 Mar 2006 12:24:11 GMT
I suppose someone could write a script that sorted it out from the
logs, but, to be honest, we (meaning the ASF) don't really care that
much about downloads.

Sure, it's cool that products like Apache HTTPD and Struts Action each
have a 60% marketshare, but marketshare is not why we do what we do.
The point of the exercise, for us, is to collaborate on great
software, meaning the software we want to use ourselves. It's not
about anonymous downloads, it's about whether people contribute to the
product.

If all the world used one of our products, and it had become the
brainchild of a single committer who didn't share and didn't
collaborate, then we would consider that project a failure. Even if
the product had 100% marketshare, if we couldn't build a community of
collaborators around the product, we would shut the project down, and
let that committer and the product go his or her own way. To us,
marketshare without community is pointless.

Yes, it is helpful for our products to be popular. Popularity garners
users, and a few of those users will become committers, and PMC
members, and even ASF members. But, for us, product popularity is not
a vital indicator of project health.

-Ted.


On 3/6/06, Bernhard Slominski <bernhard.slominski@zooplus.com> wrote:
> Ted,
>
> thanks for the answer, you gave me really some good sources to look at.
> Even though it's a bit unfortunate that the statistics are not split between
> Struts Action and Struts Shale.
> Especially for the downdload area it would be interesting to see the
> devleopment of the two.
> Is it possible to change that?
>
> Bernhard
>
> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: Ted Husted [mailto:ted.husted@gmail.com]
> > Gesendet: Samstag, 4. März 2006 17:08
> > An: Struts Users Mailing List
> > Betreff: Re: Shale vs. Action framework Statistics
> >
> >
> > On 3/4/06, Bernhard Slominski <bernhard.slominski@zooplus.com> wrote:
> > > are there any download statistics availabe for Shale + the
> > action framework?
> > >
> > > Could give a rough estimated about the popularity of both framworks.
> >
> > The download statistics for the Apache Struts website are here:
> >
> > * http://people.apache.org/~vgritsenko/stats/projects/struts
> >
> > But it doesn't distinguish between Struts Action and Struts Shale.
> >
> > Another good way to judge the popularity of a product is by the
> > articles and extensions other people publish about it. For more on
> > that score visit
> >
> > * Planet Struts - http://www.PlanetStruts.org/
> > * Struts Central - http://www.StrutsCentral.net/
> >
> > According to the OnJava 2005 reader survey, the Struts Action
> > framework was holding steady at a 60% share (among readers who
> > responded).
> >
> > *
> > http://www.planetstruts.org/roller/page/news?entry=struts_stil
> l_the_one_says
>
> Of course, the best reason to select a product is because it meets
> *your* needs. Every framework out there was created because someone
> felt their specific needs were not being addressed. The best advice is
> to try a portion of your application (a "spike") in a couple of likely
> choices, and then decide for yourself.  Besides Shale and Action,
> other likely candiates might be Tapestry, Spring MVC, and Wicket,
> along with WebWork (Action2).
>
> If the choice is between Action and Shale, then first decide if you
> want to use JSF. For more see,
>
> * http://struts.apache.org/kickstart.html#choice
>
> -- HTH, Ted.
> ** http://www.husted.com/ted/blog/

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