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From Ted Husted <>
Subject Re: Picking a framework
Date Wed, 09 Nov 2005 14:43:49 GMT
In your situation, you probably want to have a look at Struts Shale
and Java Server Faces. JSF is similar to .NET.


Shale is still pre-1.0, but I understand the essential features are in
the nightly build.

Meanwhile, some of us are starting to collect information about the
various Java frameworks here:


-- HTH, Ted.

On 11/9/05, <> wrote:
> Hello,
> I realize that this is not the most unbiased group  : ) but it seems to be
> a very sensible and well behaved (no nasty name calling like you find on
> some other groups). So I'm hoping not to get beat up when I ask this.
> We have been using Struts for about 4 years now and we've never updated..
> Don't ask why!
> Anyway, now we're moving to a new J2EE development environment and trying
> to decide how to build apps going forward Struts is the logical choice
> because we know it. However, one of the big issues we have with Struts
> right now is that it still involves a lot of things to be done "by hand". I
> don't mind but management keeps coming back at us with "how come the .NET
> group can crank out the webapps so much faster? Why do you have to build
> all these common components? Why does it take so long?  blah, blah, blah"
> I know that part of the problem is that we're on such an old version of
> Struts. I also know that there are a ton of Java (Struts, JSF, Spring,
> Turbine, Tapestry, Cocoon, ) frameworks and tools out there. Since this is
> a good time to make a change (upgrade or switch) I want to make sure we
> don't make the wrong choice. But I'm feeling a little overwhelmed with
> everything out there. How does one pick? Once you commit to one it's not
> easy to change.
> I know some will come back with "it depends on your situation and
> experience" I understand that. Obviously, Struts has an advantage because
> our are comfortable with it.
> I'm sure there are tools that make development (especially the Visual part
> of the MVC) quicker in java but I am having a hard time sifting thru
> everything to find them
> Has anyone seen any good comprehensive reviews/investigations of the
> various frameworks?
> Anyhelp would be greatly appreciated.
> Sorry for the long rambling message.
> David

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