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Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 11:10:26 -0600
From: Hubert Rabago <hrabago@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Struts 2.0 or Struts 0.0? [or Struts 1.42?]
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I guess it depends on which group of 700 people you ask, and also how
you ask the question:
http://www.onjava.com/pub/a/onjava/2004/05/19/2004-survey.html

"What are you using?" (the question asked by OnJava, and is what
market share would be based on) is different from "What is the best?"
(asked by the blog below), which is also different from "What is the
most appropriate for the application you're developing?" (which people
on a team should answer).


I wonder where Raible got his figures.


On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 10:50:27 -0500, Alex Kravets
<akravets@kligerweiss.com> wrote:
> Well I think 70% is a little bit too much
> http://www.manageability.org/polls/what-is-the-best-java-web-framework
> 
>     Accroding to latest "market share" reportring (by Raible) Struts is
> like 70% of market share. (Having said that, I wish that people that use
> Struts becuase it's     popular go away, one should use own judgment; if
> everyone used EJB, would you use that too? or would you jump of a
> bridge? Waren Buffet has a book and a chapter on Lemmings)
> 
> But at the end of the day most people tend to learn
> languages/platforms/frameworks that are in demand (remember when HTML
> coders were payed $70K?). Most people will not spend time on learning
> something that they think/know is good but the rest of the world does
> not, because most people do what they do to support themselves
> financially. The rest of does it because they are scientists.
> 
> 
> Vic wrote:
> 
> > I know you asked Ted/Craig but Tapestry is a Apache project, like
> > Struts, a good framework that is View centric, home page says: "
> > Tapestry is an alternative to scripting environments such as
> > JavaServer Pages or Velocity"
> > Accroding to latest "market share" reportring (by Raible) Struts is
> > like 70% of market share. (Having said that, I wish that people that
> > use Struts becuase it's popular go away, one should use own judgment;
> > if everyone used EJB, would you use that too? or would you jump of a
> > bridge? Waren Buffet has a book and a chapter on Lemmings)
> > Even if Struts loses 10% every year, that would make it say 5% or 3%,
> > or.... 1% say in many years.
> > Tapestry, JSF, WebWorks, Symphony, etc.  are all fine comunities that
> > have that kind of a market share, so it would not be bad at all. (and
> > then all the questions about is this the most pouplar one would go away).
> >
> > WHICH ONE FITS YOU NEEDS BEST BASED ON YOUR ANAYLSIS?
> >
> > (It's a bit like sayind what method call you you call in your code?
> > I'ts up to you).
> >
> > Alex Kravets wrote:
> >
> >> Ted, Graig,
> >> 've read some posts/blogs where people who've used Struts and now use
> >> Tapestry say that they will never go back to Struts again.
> >
> >
> > see above. If you have similar needs as them maybe you should do that.
> > In 2000, http://barracudamvc.org/Barracuda/index.html would say they
> > are better and Turbine did; there was allways competition.
> >
> >> Is this what Struts Shale tries to change/disprove?
> >
> >
> > I hope not!!!
> >
> > I feel like I am the old Lakers, #1, and everyone hates you. And yes,
> > I hate the Lakers. :-P
> >
> > .V
> >
> >
> 
>

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