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From Alex Kravets <akrav...@kligerweiss.com>
Subject Re: Struts 2.0 or Struts 0.0? [or Struts 1.42?]
Date Wed, 02 Feb 2005 18:05:42 GMT
True. Choice is good. The whole notion of capitalism is based on this. 
Choice is a product of competition, and when there is competition better 
products come out as a result of competition between number of other 
products. Indeed choice is good.

Woodchuck wrote:

>hihi all,
>
>just want to add my 2 cents
>
>i think it's simply a time issue.  if i had time, naturally i'd like to
>evaluate all possible choices before deciding which framework to use. 
>but given the amount of framework spin-offs we have these days, it's a
>luxury not many ppl will have.
>
>think about a new java web app developer starting out right now.  with
>all the choices he/she faces, can you blame them for asking "which is
>most popular?".  going with the flow is a natural response when
>individuals don't have the time to thoroughly investigate all the
>frameworks to come to their own decision.  and even if someone did take
>the time to investigate all frameworks for their particular project, it
>would not surprising that their opinion may change later on. 
>evaluating frameworks thoroughly is not a trivial task, you need to
>spend the time to really discover the strengths/weaknesses for any
>project of reasonable size.
>
>choice is good.  sure.  but i also think there's confusion when there
>is so many ways to do the same thing.  this is the irony that will
>always be there.  i think feeling 'overwhelmed' would be a safe
>assumption for anyone starting out right now.
>
>woodchuck
>
>
>--- Alex Kravets <akravets@kligerweiss.com> wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Well I think 70% is a little bit too much 
>>
>>    
>>
>http://www.manageability.org/polls/what-is-the-best-java-web-framework
>  
>
>>    Accroding to latest "market share" reportring (by Raible) Struts
>>is 
>>like 70% of market share. (Having said that, I wish that people that
>>use 
>>Struts becuase it's     popular go away, one should use own judgment;
>>if 
>>everyone used EJB, would you use that too? or would you jump of a 
>>bridge? Waren Buffet has a book and a chapter on Lemmings)
>>
>>But at the end of the day most people tend to learn 
>>languages/platforms/frameworks that are in demand (remember when HTML
>>
>>coders were payed $70K?). Most people will not spend time on learning
>>
>>something that they think/know is good but the rest of the world does
>>
>>not, because most people do what they do to support themselves 
>>financially. The rest of does it because they are scientists.
>>
>>
>>Vic wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>I know you asked Ted/Craig but Tapestry is a Apache project, like 
>>>Struts, a good framework that is View centric, home page says: " 
>>>Tapestry is an alternative to scripting environments such as 
>>>JavaServer Pages or Velocity"
>>>Accroding to latest "market share" reportring (by Raible) Struts is
>>>      
>>>
>>>like 70% of market share. (Having said that, I wish that people
>>>      
>>>
>>that 
>>    
>>
>>>use Struts becuase it's popular go away, one should use own
>>>      
>>>
>>judgment; 
>>    
>>
>>>if everyone used EJB, would you use that too? or would you jump of
>>>      
>>>
>>a 
>>    
>>
>>>bridge? Waren Buffet has a book and a chapter on Lemmings)
>>>Even if Struts loses 10% every year, that would make it say 5% or
>>>      
>>>
>>3%, 
>>    
>>
>>>or.... 1% say in many years.
>>>Tapestry, JSF, WebWorks, Symphony, etc.  are all fine comunities
>>>      
>>>
>>that 
>>    
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>>>have that kind of a market share, so it would not be bad at all.
>>>      
>>>
>>(and 
>>    
>>
>>>then all the questions about is this the most pouplar one would go
>>>      
>>>
>>away).
>>    
>>
>>>WHICH ONE FITS YOU NEEDS BEST BASED ON YOUR ANAYLSIS?
>>>
>>>(It's a bit like sayind what method call you you call in your code?
>>>      
>>>
>>>I'ts up to you).
>>>
>>>Alex Kravets wrote:
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>Ted, Graig,
>>>>'ve read some posts/blogs where people who've used Struts and now
>>>>        
>>>>
>>use 
>>    
>>
>>>>Tapestry say that they will never go back to Struts again.
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>see above. If you have similar needs as them maybe you should do
>>>      
>>>
>>that.
>>    
>>
>>>In 2000, http://barracudamvc.org/Barracuda/index.html would say
>>>      
>>>
>>they 
>>    
>>
>>>are better and Turbine did; there was allways competition.
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>Is this what Struts Shale tries to change/disprove?
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>I hope not!!!
>>>
>>>I feel like I am the old Lakers, #1, and everyone hates you. And
>>>      
>>>
>>yes, 
>>    
>>
>>>I hate the Lakers. :-P
>>>
>>>.V
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
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