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From David Graham <grahamdavid1...@yahoo.com>
Subject Re: [OT] RE: Ranko like question: What is the sense of some of these tags libs ?
Date Wed, 23 Jul 2003 17:17:34 GMT
--- "Bailey, Shane C." <SHANE.C.BAILEY@saic.com> wrote:
> 
> I have ONLY ever run into the JSTL tags on this forum (and in Struts In
> Action on pgs 272-273) so I didn't think it was that OT.  Especially
> since
> it can be used with Struts and code examples posted here nearly daily
> with
> no complaint.  I just never went anywhere looking for these tags.

I only consider debates/complaints over the JSTL to be OT (maybe others
don't).  I certainly don't consider questions about combining Struts and
JSTL to be OT.  I can't be the only person who's tired of the "why should
I use JSTL?" or "scriptlets aren't bad." discussions so all I was asking
was for an [OT] marker to help filter them out.

David

> 
> I never told anyone to change the tag lib.  I just see it constantly on
> this
> forum and I was seriously wondering if I just wasn't getting it (the
> advantages of having tags written that way).  I don't care that they are
> on
> this forum at all but I just am wondering if others thought it was a
> weird
> way to implement tags.
> 
> Sorry, won't happen again.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Graham [mailto:grahamdavid1980@yahoo.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 11:33 AM
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: RE: Ranko like question: What is the sense of some of these
> tags
> libs ?
> 
> --- "Bailey, Shane C." <SHANE.C.BAILEY@saic.com> wrote:
> > 
> > I should have put the smiley face closer to the conspiracy statement. 
> > That
> > was a joke.
> > 
> > I think having $ in a tag is a skewed perception of a tag.  I have
> only
> > ever
> > seen such things in scripts or macros.  I can't remember using a $ in
> > anything but a scripting language (personally).
> > 
> > Anyway, I just look at those tags and cringe.  Wonder why they
> couldn't
> > have
> > been written like, well, a real tag?
> > 
> > I am just trying to understand and play devil's advocate kinda like
> > Ranko
> > did and therefore why I mentioned him in my original message.  Just
> > something I don't see the point in (these untags) and so wondered what
> > others thought.
> > 
> > I guess I should have waited until Friday when people are in a more
> > jovial
> > mood.
> 
> It would also help if you placed [OT] at the front of the subject line. 
> IMO, the struts-user isn't a good place to discuss why you like/dislike
> the JSTL tags.  It's futile anyways because they're not going to change
> the JSTL just because some people are complaining about it on the
> struts-user mailing list :-).
> 
> I've never had to use an expression similar to the one in your example
> in
> any of my apps.  The JSTL gives you powerful expressions to use when you
> need them but most of the time you can get by with simple stuff if you
> do
> most of the work in real Java classes.
> 
> David
> 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: David Graham [mailto:grahamdavid1980@yahoo.com] 
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 10:27 AM
> > To: Struts Users Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: Ranko like question: What is the sense of some of these
> > tags
> > libs ?
> > 
> > --- "Bailey, Shane C." <SHANE.C.BAILEY@saic.com> wrote:
> > >  
> > > 
> > > As Ranko asked, about the redundancy of Struts I would like to know
> > that
> > > the
> > > heck is the deal with SOME of these tag libs out there?
> > > 
> > > I mean, look at this: <c:if test="${index%2==0}"> and look at this:
> <%
> > > if(index.intValue()%2==0){ %>
> > > 
> > > I like NOT to use Java scriptlets in my JSPs and I am pretty decent
> at
> > > achieving that but
> > > 
> > > if my only resolve of using a "tag" is to have it look like CODE and
> > not
> > > a
> > > true tag why
> > > 
> > > have people (code maintainers and the original coder in the first
> > place)
> > > learn a new "language"
> > > 
> > > and just use a scriptlet?
> > 
> > If you extend your example to use nested properties, maps, lists, etc
> > you
> > will start to see why the <c:if> tag is easier.
> > 
> > >
> > > Seeing $var like tag code that makes me think this is some sort of
> > > conspiracy so that all the 
> > > 
> > > UNIX admins, with their UNIX scripts, who needed new jobs, since
> > WinTel
> > > is
> > > taking over, 
> > 
> > This is a rather skewed perception of reality.
> > 
> > David
> > 
> > > starting
> > > 
> > > writing "tag" libraries.
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > I mean really, what is the deal with these so called "tags" that
> > aren't
> > > tags?
> > > 
> > > JavaScript was cool when it came out (and wasn't developed by Sun)
> > > because
> > > if you knew Java then 
> > > 
> > > you were about 90% there to being a great JavaScripter.
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > So I say Ranko, are you just as bewildered at this as I am?
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > :-)
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
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